HUSNG: Breaking Down the Numbers

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In his first series for Pokerstrategy.com Bryan "PrimordialAA" Pellegrino walks you through how to use some basic math to solve a variety of interesting spots in HU SNGs. He'll show you how to break down your opponents ranges and how to optimally exploit them, and create maximally exploititive ranges of your own. This theory-packed video series will have something for everyone looking to analyze both their own game and the games of their opponents.

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Breaking down the numbers Equity stats Theory Video

Comments (32)

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  • DanielK

    #1

    Enjoy the very first video from Bryan "PrimordialAA" Pellegrino. Please leave Feedback and keep the comments in english!
  • PrimordialAA

    #2

    Hey guys, looking forward to hearing some feedback on the series, and feel free to post any questions or comments in here and i'll try to answer them all as best I can
  • filipetheman

    #3

    great video, really enjoy the type of videos that allows me to study better the game.

    been watching your videos for a long time, big fan.

    also one type of video that i really enjoyed from you was a live session where at the end of every matchyou went over the oponent´s stats, and said how you would adjust. that would be very usefull and related with stuff you seem to want to talk in this series.

    the best of luck
  • Zlaine

    #4

    Where did you get that Hud exactly?
  • Aerox88

    #5

    @4: google "aweHudv3"
  • Waaaghboss

    #6

    Very nice video Primo :)
  • itSmIn3z

    #7

    Good video. Can only agree to what filipetheman already said.
  • Shad0w69

    #8

    hey Primo, I asked you before about that, but maybe you changed your mind: do you plan making any hyper turbo video?
  • PrimordialAA

    #9

    @filipetheman thanks a ton bud :), I will keep it in mind for the future and make sure to include that in some upcoming videos.

    @Shad0w69 I may make some HT videos, but tbh this series of 3 vids applies directly to HTs very very easily, where all situations are contained to 25bb or less, so fewer total situations the consider, and a lot of them super common, and also you tend to reach showdown a lot more often so you get a an idea relatively quickly on peoples frequencies and the boundaries of their ranges. Watch the next vid and i'm sure it will help you a ton in HTs if you put in the time to study :).

    @Zlaine aerox88 is right, just google that :)

    @everyone else, thanks guys, really appreciate the comments =]
  • Betstreet

    #10

    Great vid!
    Against which exact opponent would u rather 2,5x than 2x?
  • PrimordialAA

    #11

    @Betstreet , people who I might rather 2.5x vs than 2x would be for instance people who call very wide OOP but are tight/passive on the flops, fold to a lot of cbets, etc., the same people who are just passive in general preflop, wide OOP %, low 3bet % would be some tendencies i'd look for when I look to widen to larger than 2x. Also just as a side note, this only really applies >35bb or so, at less than that i'm pretty much only 2xing ever
  • Bjoerniboy

    #12

    hey primo ;D nice
  • PrimordialAA

    #13

    Well LOOK who it is @bjoerniboy :), thanks a lot man. Are we going to see some videos from you any time soon =]? Comngrats again on the Stars Pro :)
  • buschips

    #14

    Primo vs. Bjoerni or/and Waaaghboss would be really nice or a Dualvid. ;)
  • Bobbs

    #15

    Great video!
    I have a question regarding your conlusion of the push with 96s vs the second opponent.
    Clearly the EV of the push is negative around -1SB, but if you compare it with the EV of a fold then the -1SB is already a profit.
  • pollentier

    #16

    I can only see the first 4 minutes but I get a headache from the background...
  • PrimordialAA

    #17

    @Bobbs the difference here comes from the frame of reference we are talking about, in our calculations we consider the differences from folding the BB not from the start of the hand, so as you see we don't say we lose the full effective stack (1100) when we call and lose, because we already have 1BB committed, so for our frame of reference 0EV in chips is the breakeven point, and any number yielding a negative value is -EV. The frame of reference of taking it from the start of the hand (how Mersenneary often does his calculations if that's where your getting it from) compares them to the start of the hand, so his numbers are slightly differenced based on his -1BB is his breakeven point or 0EV. So that is the difference here, but in the caclulation above, vs the second opponent, and 96s reshove would be actually -EV, not just -1SB but still > than -1BB. Hope that helps :)
  • Bobbs

    #18

    Thank you! I have to admit that I didn't look at your actual calculation in much detail, I am sorry about that. I promise it won't happen again! :)
  • Bobbs

    #19

    Thanks! I have to admit that I haven't payed that much attention to the actual numbers you used. I promise that this won't happen again. :)
  • grrgrrbla

    #20

    @PrimordialAA:

    how do you adjust your frequencies when an opponent calls too much preflop and on the flop? obviously you would open a tighter range, but what does that exactly mean? i often play against opponents who defend their BB with something like 70%+, so would you only openraise the sb with 60%? how does stacksize change your openraising%? i would guess that below 25bb you would openraise even tighter because there is not that much room to dblbarrel or "get there" with a drawing hand like 58s or something like that, so would you openraise 40% and limp something like 20% against someone calling his bb with close to 100% and someone who is not aggro vs limps?
    how does the way your opponent is defending change your opening strategy? if someone is 3betting a lot and not calling that much (but more than 50% alltogether) would you tone your opening-frequency down to 60& again? what other factors should determine my opening frequency besides: his 3xbetting/calling frequency preflop, his calling/checkraising/leading frequency on turn/flop/river, stacksize

    sry if it's a stupid question to ask for exact numbers but i wanna know what an optimal frequency looks like more or less because hyperturbos and turbos to a smaller extent are all about optimal frequencies, without them you can't be as successfull,

    how do you change your openraising strategy when below 25bb against an opponent who 3xbetresteals alot? what hand would you still open and which ones would you call against a shove? with someone 3bet-restealling alot i mean someone who is restealshoving something like 30%+ ( or what would you say is "alot)? i just want to know how to react to someone who knows what you mentioned at the end of your video: someone who reacts perfectly to a openingrange that is too wide and a callingrange that is too narrow, so how do you react? mimmic opponent 2 more or less: openraise 50% and call 20%?
  • grrgrrbla

    #21

    sry to ask that much, but i think ysou are a real expert in the field and able to explain conecpets in a clear and concise manner. So i am really looking forward to your future videos! this one was great ! i like the conecpt of you talking about optimal frequencies and how to exploit the frequencies of your opponent, because this is what husngs or hu in general is all about,
  • PrimordialAA

    #22

    @grrgrrbla ok so a bit of a long one :-p, there are a lot of individual factors that define your opening frequency, defending % isn't the only one although it is very important. So imagine it as having a direct point, and then as a bit of a scale. For the direct we already know, if they defend <50%, we open 100%. But then if they touch like 55-60% it doesn't just slide down to 90ish or so, it should be a pretty sharp cutoff to 65-70% range. After that like, the more passive they are in general (less 3betting, less ck/raising, low contest cbet %, etc.) the more it will slide towards opening wider, and the more aggro the more towards tighter. But then of course there are also cutoff points, somebody defending 100% of his buttons and c/r'ing like every board doesn't mean you should just open like 30-40%, opening 60% and just being conscious of what kind of equity you need to get it in is another reasonable counter-strategy.

    Factors to consider are definitely defend %, 3bet %, defend flop % and it's breakdon (c/c and c/r), aggression factor (mainly just measure 3bet, c/r, and turn c/r yourself) are the biggest ones, and then it's up to you to figure out how he constructs each of these ranges as well, because the way he structures them can have a huge impact on your counter-strategy as well.

    Anyways, very difficult question to just easily answer, hope that helped a little bit. As for your last question, watch the next vid, it should answer it in full :), or at least give you the tools to answer it.
  • Shove

    #23

    nice to see you hear primp.

    haven't watched the video yet but just one quick question: do you (plan to) offer private coaching? if yes, at which rate?
  • PrimordialAA

    #24

    Sorry for the late response Shove. I do offer private coaching, at $350 / hr
  • bj355

    #25

    How come the video is all fuzzy and static?
  • PrimordialAA

    #26

    that shouldn't be happening... what media player are you using?
  • Gladi3

    #27

    primordial... perhaps you can make a video about defending ranges angainst different opening ranges and opening ranges from hero if villain defends different percentages...

    if SO mraises you get 25% potodds in hu, how much do you increase your minimum equity caus of oop disadvantage if you want to calculate what you should defend against different opening ranges... would be also interesting how much we should change min equity to different player types
  • PrimordialAA

    #28

    hrmmm, i'll def. think about it and see if I can find a video to cover that in
  • EverSteel

    #29

    hey PrimordialAA,

    how do we take into account the rake%? We need >50% equity to be +EV, but in which situations do we need to consider rake%?

    -ty
  • PrimordialAA

    #30

    Hey ty, you actually don't factor rake into equity calculations in a HU SNG. What your implying is that if you need 52% WR to break even vs rake you would only take spots that have >52% equity, but it doesn't work like this. It's about taking the maxEV line while considering optimizing growth. Sometimes this is -0.5 EV rather than -1. Sometimes this is +.8BB for 100 chips rather than +.9 for 1500, etc.

    Hope that helps
  • EverSteel

    #31

    Hello,
    one more question from the Russian community:
    32.40 you say that shoving 96s against a 50% opening range and 22.8% calling range is -EV, cause its EV is -22.6 chips. But folding 96s results in -50 chips or -100bb/100. Therefore isn't it better to push the hand?
  • FredDoof

    #32

    Do you have a stat showing how often your shove gets called or do you give him a calling range by Intuition?