Semi-Strong holdings on the Turn

  • Fixed-Limit
  • FL
  • $2/$4
  • Fullring
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In the latest production from our boss Fixed-Limit coach, Boomer2k10 - we are taken through various topics which are frequently relevant with the main focus going into spots where we find ourselves in turn-play with a half-decent holding. But which part of our range should these holdings come under? Boomer will tell you.


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  • EuanM


    Enjoy the latest video where Boomer will take you through some concepts of Fixed-limit with the main topic being looking at turn spots where our holdings are half-decent.

    Have fun and let us know what you think!

    Questions for boomer can be left below for his attenion...
  • YohanN7


    More of this please!
    This illustrates so well the difference between betting/calling a straightforward player and one of a more difficult species.

  • madorjan


    Hey Boomer,

    Nice vid, thanks for it. I have 2 comments on the hands, I'd like to know what you think about these:

    AJo (around 20:00): I would never ever fold that here - you say he should turn KQ into a 3barrel bluff. If you think so, then he has to have KQ, KJ, KT, K9, QJ, QT etc. in his range, that comes down to a snapcall exploitatively. Second of all, I think you're way too up in your range considering you flat everything from the BB. There will be a lot of worse hands getting here (A9, K9, Q9 possibly, AT etc), AJ is maybe a bit too strong for me to fold here readless. Not even on this semibad river. I'd fold it on a 7 and a 9, because then most of my 7x 9x hands got there, also worse A his have at least a pair. But on that 4 I wouldn't.

    KQo (around 23:00): I love the Combonator analysis. However instead of A2-A8 (w/o BDFDs) I'd select all the overcards, because
    - against a 3 it doesn't matter (except for the BDSDs)
    - against a 9 you have more equity
    - against a pure bluff it doesn't really matter, since we're gonna fold them later in the hand unimproved anyway, and take our AJ-AQ+(?) range to showdown.

    So it comes down to having more backdoor draws and having more equity over a 9, therefore I'd definitely call them first, and then start adding in the A+undercards combos.

    Great vid, keep them up.:)
  • taavi1337


    Hello :)

    I would check back the river with JT (around min ~34). Your turn bet is for free showdown vs tons of gutshots and flushdraws.

    The river bet is only targeting Kx, I doubt he would ever fold Ax or better there. But he can easily have 5x, 3x, pocket pairs or even Qx.

    By betting the river you're basically only getting worse hands to fold, with a possible exception of Kx (which actually isn't that likely in his range on the river, he's probably folding the turn a lot with these!).

    Quite an easy check back for me. 42, 62, 64, 74, 76 suited and every flushdraw up to Jx are easily in his range.
  • puccini1


    Nice Video but can i just point out it is tagged wrong. It is tagged as full ring so a lot of potential viewers won't find it in their search
  • Boomer2k10


    Hi guys, sorry I haven't responded yet but I've been a bit sick over the weekend and last few days so I'm playing catchup

    I will get to your comments as soon as possible, just got to refresh myself on everything
  • Boomer2k10



    Hi taavi :)

    There are a couple of reasons for me choosing to bet here

    1) JTo is actually pretty low in my range, I don't have many worse hands on this river (some suited T's and like 87 and 76s but that's not many combos) so being as far towards the bottom of my range as I am there's no way that this is an exploitable bet and, in fact, paying off with every A-High here I'm pretty sure is worse than bluffing JTo. Not saying bluffing according to Game Theory is correct vs this guy but it's rare it's going to be THAT wrong and I have a lot of hands I want to check back here anyway. (Non-Premium A-high, K-High)

    2) He will still make incorrect folds and peel way too light on Previous streets, he probably have every K-High FD in his range plus JTs, and maybe some hands like KTo and KJo so that's definitely enough combos of hands to target I think, it's not as if I'm bluffing with KT here which I agree would be pointless.

    Probably something I need to do a little combo work on because this may be pretty close

    Thanks for watching and your comments
  • Boomer2k10



    Sup Madorjan? :)

    Hand 1: I'm was kind of hedging with the 4s as I wouldn't fold any other 4 just specifically that one. It's very close and you're probably right that my hand is a little too under-represented to fold.

    Given I'd play worse A-Highs this way too seems fine to chuck a few of them rather than a more premium holding

    Hand 2: Yup I agree, I'd much prefer 2 overs to crappy A-high here so if I were to replace some hands it'd be the garbage A-highs first as they're less likely to be able to peel the turn.
  • overson


    I think the way you are calculating GTO assumes your opponent has the same range as you. If you have a much stronger range shouldn't you potentially call your whole range since you could beat his weaker range with your worst hands?
    And if your range is crushed by his, you could adjust GTO to his range and fold much more of your range?
    Basically I think you have to consider your opponent's range when calculating your GTO ranges.
  • Boomer2k10



    Game Theory assumes nothing about your opponent's range. The whole idea of it is that you play in a way which loses the least if your opponent plays optimally thus it never changes based on your opponent

    If your opponent would get 9-1 to call your bluff then 10% of your range should be bluffs if you are attempting to play via game theory as then your opponent cannot exploit you by calling or folding. (Raising then leads to another calculation). It is simply play according to Maths.

    What you are describing is exploitative shifting of your range based on your opponents range which often in a vacuum and ahainst poor playing players is superior to GTO play but even if you deviate it should not be THAT far from Game Theory.

    I will actually do a combonator analysis of where this lies in my range. I am pretty sure its bottom 15% but will see and I will post it on Youtube and link to it from the blog I am planninv to set up
  • Sailer85


    it's not really full-ring is it?