Knowing me knowing you - Time for the tables

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EmanuelC16 continues his mentoring of PokerStrategy.com moderator DrDunne. This week they go to the tables and Manu tries to break down every decision that Lewis makes asking WHY?

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6max Cash DrDunne Knowing Me Knowing You Manu mentor micros NoLimit

Comments (34)

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  • pleno1

    #1

    Hey guys, Enjoy this weeks freebie from EmanuelC16 and DrDunne. Leave feedback here and they will get back to you asap :)
  • IngridN

    #2

    Good stuff!
  • Schnafffke

    #3

    way too big Hud, especially for NL 10 , use Pop-up if u need detailed stats .

    @ the set 66: Why u don't give him any Overpairs in his Range? which reasonable (x he have in his Range? Thats a snapcall for me. I mean if he gets with 8x to the RIver, he will donk many worse Hands than 66, also he might bet nuts bigger.

    Seems like UNibet is really fishy? How is the rake ( ofc 30 % RB but whats the effective in comparison with Stars for example?)
  • EmanuelC16

    #4

    Hey,

    @66 set hand:

    What overpairs limp/call pre? JJ+ are the overpairs and they are raised a lot since they easily make the top 3% of someone's range. Then he limp/calls. People limp/3bet KK+ a lot meaning you can't put all if any combos in his range there as a default. I assume people are really passive at micros, especially NL10 on Unibet and that is correct from what I've seen with Lewis's hands. The problem of whether to call or not is usually if he bets enough hands weaker than set of sixes because he has air like 0.1% of the time there.

    Cheers.
  • Schnafffke

    #5

    the problem is, that river only improves 8x , and if Villain is reaching this river with 8x, he will also donks Tx like Hands. ALso Hands like T9, 79 improved to twopair. if u fold the river u also b/f flop and turn?
  • EmanuelC16

    #6

    That 'only' 8x is a lot. T8, 78, 88, 68, 89 can slowplay, J8, probably A8s, K8s in his range as well. There's no connection between bet/folding flop or turn and call/folding river lead. These actions split villain's range in a completely different way.

    It's not a snap fold and it's not a snap call. It's a close spot and my goal here is not to convince anyone that I'm right, it's to tell you my approach to it and you end up deciding what you want to do.
  • BigFish2010

    #7

    Just way too much stats for 10NL dude!
  • Helsingborg

    #8

    U dont play like this at nl10..
  • EmanuelC16

    #9

    #8: What do you mean?
  • Endurx

    #10

    first video where i had a felling that student is a better player than a coach
  • ains21

    #11

    Dat echo :D

    Enjoyed the video guys thanks, so many fish at unibet. Looking forward to the next in the series.
  • EmanuelC16

    #12

    #11:

    Yeah, will try to fix echo for next video. I recorded with a headset so it's 100% recording software issue, maybe settings there.
  • RSG07

    #13

    Congratulations, great video!
  • swanny36

    #14

    Good video guys!

    Thought it was a little slow at some points, with too much analysis on basic decisions such as whether to cbet and conversations regarding ranges of fish who are playing any two cards. 66 hand was interesting though and also the AT hand. Imo he is folding JJ often enough here, and has an 8 a bunch so great river to bluff.

    Thanks again guys.
  • EmanuelC16

    #15

    #14:

    The analisys on basic decisions is to make sure you know why you are doing them. If you randomly do stuff without realizing the exact reasons and consequences of it you will have a tough time winning long term.

    Regarding fish ranges, if he they are not playing 100% VPIP they are hand selecting so they have a narrower range than any two cards. It's wrong to say: 'He's a fish, he doesn't have a range.' There's always a range!
  • muel294

    #16

    excellent video, particularly liked how you broke down the decisions in the two hands where hero flopped nothing

    eg ATo on 282rKQ
    and AKs TXTtt
  • awishformore

    #17

    84s trips is not a value bet on the river here. He still has a lot in his range that we beat, but he will not call the majority of that.

    His calling range is 4x, pps and 5x. He will shove 22, 55, 66, 75. That already makes the bet rather thin.

    The problem here is that we have to bet small to keep his weaker hands in. This however often incites fish to shove weaker, even pure bluffs sometimes, and then we have to fold.
  • Tim64

    #18

    Thanks, Manu :)
  • dallievas

    #19

    Good video :)
  • VaskataBuci

    #20

    Hi Manu,
    The villain in the ATo hand has WTSD 45 (lets not consider that this is only for 66 hands). This fact is enough for me to not bluff him on the river. What do you think abt this stat?
  • EmanuelC16

    #21

    #20:

    Hi,

    If it were over a couple of hundred hands then I would say value bet flop and turn, check back river. It's kind of thin but keep in mind why you are not bluffing him: he doesn't even fold random freecards to bets, meaning AT is ahead of his range quite often. That said, you could just cbet flop and check down against a passive opponent or give up when bet into, there's no problem with that unless you do it too often with very weak hands (you can never bluffcatch).

    For someone with experience though, 45% WTSD doesn't mean he never folds, it just means he folds in very few spots so I wouldn't say never bluff him. The river is where you get most credit for bluffs even by calling stations. Some get to have a high WTSD because people let them call twice with trash and go with it to showdown, not firing that 3rd bullet either for value or as a bluff, in other words, they don't adjust to their tendencies to chase all 2pair and trip outs, apart from the obvious gutshots, OESDs and flushdraws. Many spots should be either 1 or 3 barrels since 2 will be dead money which the calling stationy villain collects when you check back river.

    I think I mention this during the series: you can have the same frequency with a different range, so when someone calls too often, include more value bets instead of bluffs, don't just lower your betting frequency. That's the best adjustment for calling stations and the opposite is true for postflop super-nits.

    Hope this helps!
  • VaskataBuci

    #22

    Definitely helps! You explain very well in the videos BTW.
  • meanbob

    #23

    "i dont needmuch stats" loooooooool useless
  • zumpar

    #24

    the 66 hand, i think i would just call the river because of the bet sizing, it really looks like a defensive bet + we are getting like 4:1,
    he can easily have stuff like T9, ThXh, maybe even some weirdly played JT,QT etc, the only thing that got there is, 78 and T8 which he could play this way.

    I would not feel great about it but for me it is a call.
  • nefarious26

    #25

    agree with #24 66 hand defo looks blocker bet, i would 0 min raise river for super thin value vs that guy and a result orientated play,
    was stunned he turned up with AA
  • KINGFLX

    #26

    This was one of the best videos I have seen on poker. Really helps seeing a coach explain his thoughts and the players thoughts step by step in video form and not text. Make another video please :)
  • dsusinov

    #27

    #17 like the reasoning for the play, the same thoughts passed in my mind

    About that AT hand, i would go with the check on the turn , the opponent is too showdown bound, pretty passive, so he won't fire river with anything worse, and if we hit and ace or a ten we can value and expect a lot of weak call. But I do like the concept of three barreling, just not vs that guy :)
  • gonafo

    #28

    Hey Emanuel,

    I would like to ask a question about the same frequency of betting with a different range.
    You are saying we should adjust against calling stations our PF raise and only bet for value when we hit and the other way around against nits?
    The way I see it,I can't understand how you don't lower your betting frequency against CS if you play for value!

    Great video btw!

    Thanks
  • EmanuelC16

    #29

    #28:
    Sorry for the slightly delayed answer. There's no notification, I just revisit the videos from time to time to check if there are any new comments/questions.


    The more he calls the thinner we can value bet. We don't need top pair anymore. Second pair is good to value bet for all streets if he just calls everything. 3rd pair with good kicker (depending on board development) becomes easy 2 streets of value, especially IP.

    Against nitty players we can't value bet those hands. We check most of those and maybe bluffcatch a street/strengthen our checking range in some spots. We could treat them as semibluffs (5 outs to make the best hand) and try to barrel nitty postflop players off their weak TP but trying to make people fold top pair is not the way to climb stakes imo.
  • stinkvinger

    #30

    This is really helping me out, you teach me a lot with your explanations. Thank you
  • sleep99

    #31

    Top left around 10mins in, the player with QQ. Comments? I always get caught out by playing limping in with QQ+ and AJ+ preflop, hitting and slowplaying flop.
  • mjlegend

    #32

    Hi guys :)
    I also play NL10, NL20 and i think for the general understanding and learning basic principles of the game as well as building the right mindset at that level, the stats can represent disadvantage. That's mainly because you play against players whose decisions are often random (they are clicking buttons i would say) and you can base your decisions more on actual hand strength then on assumptions what will they do or won't do.
    About ATo hand on 822KQ board: Recently i discovered, that sometimes a very efective thing on the river in similar spots is an overbet. In that particular case, my reasoning would be:
    - to fold out better hands such as al pockets from 33-77 and 99-JJ (some of the time i expect those to call, but not very often) and all of 8x hands, sometimes even a hand like QJs (if he ever calls that on the turn whitout a flush draw);
    - to get more value in spots like this, when my holdings are very strong (such as KK,QQ,88, A2s, sometimes i would consider overbeting even with AA or AK) and my opponents might interpret my bet as an attempt to bluff them of JJ or something similar.
    What do you guys think abotu my ideas?
    Best regards :D
  • Harnas31

    #33

    Good work , thx
  • Kalisari

    #34

    the opponent with AA on the 66 set hand said 'koek koek' , which means something like 'are you there?'