Constructing Preflop Ranges - Part 1

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MBML shows us how to attack exploitable opening ranges with 3bets, how to construct our 3bet ranges and best situations to 3bet.

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Comments (68)

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  • fitzinator18

    #1

    Enjoy the latest from MBML!

    As always feedback and suggestions are appreciated!
  • holmeboy

    #2

    First! Nice vid!
  • kiromanAAKK

    #3

    Finally!!!!!! :D

    Simple, the best! ;)
  • mbml

    #4

    Would like to reemphasize something.

    The way i approached this and came up with the numbers was not by calculations. Its more of a "reverse engineering" thing. I analyzed ranges of profitable players and spotted patterns, then attempted to use some numbers as guidelines on how these good players construct their ranges according to various opponents
  • SimplePlan

    #5

    everything was very clear, easy to understand, liked that.

    the topic is pretty intersting, there are no similar vids.

    keep it up!
  • sjaakdaniels

    #6

    Very helpful, keep them coming!
  • BigFish2010

    #7

    Nice video.Can wait 4bet to be involted.
  • jules97

    #8

    Very helpful, thankyou
  • jachis

    #9

    Nice video, easily understandable, definitely continue making these kind of videos!
  • alexxpiciu

    #10

    is a good video and very helpful, thankyou
  • pezack

    #11

    Thank you easy to understand waiting fo part 2.
  • mbml

    #12

    ThankS. I am open to suggestions so maybe u can try to suggest general topics like the one here.
  • SimplePlan

    #13

    how to construct a donking-range, donking vs check/raising,...

    another topic, defending against 3bets oop, when is calling fine, what about call pref 3bet oop and donking a lot of flops
  • SimplePlan

    #14

    durrr takes that line often, what are his thoughts behind?
  • zumpar

    #15

    another topic, defending against 3bets oop, when is calling fine, what about call pref 3bet oop and donking a lot of flops

    +1

    id love to see a video focusing on this
  • wilsonlok

    #16

    nice vid! learned alot about what do with hand types and the reason behind it
  • patszerdonk

    #17

    Thanks mbml...great video!!!
    Clear and very simple. But may I ask something?

    in example 1 and 2 you give us general idea how to construck 3bet range (bluff and value). But how abaut calling range? You should include it so we dont mix our fold range and call range (or 3bet and call range).

    I guess you will talk about it in Part 2 of the series. Just a little suggestion: use the examples in Part1 as continuation.
  • patszerdonk

    #18

    And release next perts ASAP!!!!
    :)
  • Sinnology

    #19

    THx for great video.
    Can you please explain bit more last part about when you 3b more OOP than IP.
    I didnt get the part when you spoke that oponents defend in similar fashion.does it have anything to do with the fact that they fold more to 3b OOP than they do IP?
  • serverm07

    #20

    Good video. My advice for you is to be a bit more confident in yourself when you are explaining something. Also could have probably covered a little bit more on why certain hands are better to 3bet than others like 79s vs Q3s for example but other than that looks good.
  • ribpoker

    #21

    Very good content in my opinion! Though not mathematically derived it seems to be very logical.
    At one point, I'd like to add a comment: min 08:11 :
    with an extrem ft3bet value of Villain it's obvious, that 100% of our 3betting range is buffs and all our value hands we only want to call. But of course, for such an extreme ft3bet value, we do not want to have a 25-35% 3betting range, we want to 3bet any2 (or less, but only depending on opponents acting behind us)
    So in my opinion, a ft3bet value greater than 65% should begin to affect our 3betting range in away that we 3bet for value in the same way as you suggested but add more hands to our bluff-3-betting range.
    Since we should arrive at 100% in the extreme (adding another 65% to our 35% 3-betting range) I'd suggest something like the following:
    30% 3bet with ft3bet = 65%
    add 2% bluff-3-bets for each % ft3bet greater than 65.
    Example: or = 20, ft3bet = 90
    value 3bet= 20x0,3x0,1 = 0,6% = AA
    call = about 5%
    bluff 3bet = 20x0,3x0,9 = 5,4%
    additional bluff 3bet = (90-65)x2 = 50 %
    Result: 1 only value3bet AA, then 1 call the next top 5 % and then i bluff3bet the next 55 % (only in BB, if others act behind me, my ranges must be adjusted)

    Does that sound good to you?
  • ribpoker

    #22

    edit:
    the last lines ("Result: ...") I wrote twice "1" and once "i" but always meant "I"...
  • pokeraras

    #23

    @ribpoker: I think mbml doesn't make rules. It's only for easy to remember (and to understand). Range still depending on many things (including postflop)

    just my two cents
  • kochke

    #24

    nice one :P
  • kiromanAAKK

    #25

    @mbml: if I may forward a suggestion would be maybe to involve a bit some tool like Equilab to give a bit of graphic to all the great theory you explain and present in a very clear and adequate way. Thank you! ;)
  • harrka

    #26

    Really nice video, cant wait to se next parts! Maybe some 4bet stuff coming?
  • duder1n0

    #27

    great vid, thanks! looking forward to next parts :)
  • NDQuattro

    #28

    Dear mbml, PLEASE STOP IT ! Think about future, all regs have well balanced ranges, playin -rake bb/100, 1% of them have 0.5 bb/100. It should be some kind of survival of the fittest. Dont help weak people!
  • megalomaniac323

    #29

    very nice, thank you! :)
  • mbml

    #30

    @#21 & #23: Yes it's a guideline to help you think of how to construct your range. Don't need to get overly obsessed with being super mathematically precise. As you get more experienced you would no longer need these numbers.

    Frankly I have not used these derived methods for my own game but if you think you have some problems with formulating 3bet ranges yourself then this video could help.
  • mbml

    #31

    #17: Part 2 is about formulating calling ranges. I agree that the preflop decision is not a dichotomous one - We have 3 options facing a race: 3bet, call or fold.

    Maybe part 3 will be about table dynamics, then I may start taking more suggestions on what other topics to present on.
  • mbml

    #32

    #13: I don't really like donking too much, I rarely use it as part of my own game (my donkbet is around 5-10%. I could make one, but it may not be so useful since situations to use the donkbet aren't occuring as frequently as other situations.

    About calling preflop 3bets OOP perhaps I could do one. But I think durrr's play is more of an exploitative one - I fail to see how that could be part of a balanced strategy as it usually makes more sense to check to the raiser.
  • mbml

    #33

    #19: People have a preference for calling IP as opposed to OOP. People prefer calling smaller 3bets than larger 3bets.

    When we are OOP, to compensate for the fact that we are OOP, we should make a larger 3bet.

    I hope you get my point - Maybe we don't have to make it such that our opponents defend a similar range both IP and OOP, but main point is that since people are defending wider IP, we need to 3bet larger OOP.
  • Fiskantes

    #34

    Hey, I wanna ask about 3bet sizing, when you say that OOP it should be bigger so our opponent fold to 3bet will increase. In practice however, it does not work that way really often (at least from my experience). People are flatting the same range whether if I 3bet to 8bb or 10bb.
  • iamachicken

    #35

    i dont have a flat range from sb against a guy who opens 80% from bu, i only 3bet or fold. what do you think about this strategy?
  • mbml

    #36

    i think from the SB you can even think about eliminating a flatting range altogether, though there will still be some circumstances where I would want a flat (trap vs aggro BB squeezer, huge fish and you wanna setmine with pocketpair etc)
  • iamachicken

    #37

    yes but when BB is an average regular (not a sqz monkey) and openraiser is an average regular too its totally reasonable to only 3bet or fold from sb (i play midstakes)
  • iamachicken

    #38

    i have another question. 3bet ranges from bb vs loose sb -
    i can call with a lot of hands +ev so my bluff range should be really trash hands like q6o and j6o? (because i think i can call against villain +ev q7o and j7o for example)
  • Johniiicek

    #39

    Very helpfull, please contiune with 4bets and maybe squeezing :)
  • mbml

    #40

    @38: I would still prefer to use the 57s type of hands to 3bet. I think Q6o is just way too trashy (and also smacks typical 3bet calling ranges which comprise many QX broadway hands like KQ QJs QTs AQ etc which all have our Q6o dominated).
  • puccini1

    #41

    Excellent Video. Clearly explained and simple to follow.
    Really looking forward to the rest of the series if it's along these lines.

    10 out of 10 !
  • ionutd

    #42

    Always liked your videos. This is much better than the recent gap the mind ep 1.
  • Th334

    #43

    Hey, mbml, great vid, thanks!

    One question: in your 3B bluff range against BU you go really far down J2s type of hands, but you include no pockets!

    I would personally prefer to 3B 77-22 rather than J2s, for an obv. reason of flopping a set (not some trashy J pair or weak FD)
  • moeb1us

    #44

    my argument would be somewhat like #43, excluding midpockets 55-88.

    But I was very surprised to see your definition of a 3bet bluff range from SB. Please comment on how much of the building of the range is influenced by the fact that we are SB.
    Low Qxs and Jxs have a very poor playablity postflop, is that irrelevant?

    And another question: 3bet-bluff range means what exactly for the postflop play if called? bet/fold? giving up if called? barrel along? Evaluate at every street? I know it is depending on the individual postflop skill but I want to know the tendency, the motivation etc. Thanks.
  • Simschi

    #45

    i dont get it, maybe i understood something wrong my english isnt that great.
    At about 7:06 u said take villians FIR Range and multiplay it with 25-35%.
    So i didnt understand that. it cant be true that i have to 3 bet an utg FIRaiser with 10%FIRaise with 25-35% +10% so 35-45% or even x 10%:)
    So pls can someone hlp me out there im lost in translation i think :)
  • Simschi

    #46

    Problem solved :)
  • navthunder3

    #47

    very nice video,very helpful.thx
  • Arcanis23

    #48

    great video, thanks
  • Lunitis

    #49

    Nice one. Your videos are helping me big time in constructing logic ranges. This one, the 4bet shoving with pps, and the backraise shove vs squeeze. Now its just missing one in to how to construct 5bet (after 3bet) ranges..if you can.
    TY
  • maritsula

    #50

    what do you do with the low ofsuit Ax Kx in SB? Shouldn't we prefer 3b A3o in SB rather than Qxs?
  • Iwantunow

    #51

    @#28
    lol what a prick you are. Yea just make videos about how to play toppair and keep the real knowledge from the masses or what are you saying? unreal
  • pokerprons

    #52

    amazing video mbml! just what i was looking for. keep it up!
  • Katrisone

    #53

    Very helpful, thx!
  • x3ndeDx

    #54

    very nice video =]
  • 2bad4nick

    #55

    min 21:16 I don't really the concept of bluffraising the stongest hands you can't call. I think AJ and KQ are not a good option to bluff3bet in this spot. His callingrange dominates us too often. Our bluff3betting range should consist of suited connectors i mean opinion. What you think about that?
  • sleep99

    #56

    Nice.
  • brollworm1

    #57

    kq aj are suited connectors.
  • EdRandom

    #58

    Great video!!!
  • KobraTheUgly

    #59

    i hope to see more in future. very interesting content. compliments
  • muel294

    #60

    Awesome video. This has pretty much answered a problem I have faced for a while now.ty
  • TheLandlordUK

    #61

    Very helpful thanks.
  • Hackett77

    #62

    Thanks for the video. Where on the spectrum do you place hands like QJs and KJo vs?

    a) BU 15% utg
    b) Blinds vs 50% Steal
    c) BU vs 25-30% CO open (fish in blinds)
    d) BU vs 25-30% BU open (regs in blinds)
  • coldchurch

    #63

    In the beginning you say that it had been a while since you produced a vid. But where are your earlier vids, I cant seem to find them!
  • coldchurch

    #64

    Never mind, found them, didnt look good, sorry.
  • Laci24

    #65

    Thank you for the video! :)
  • seb2k7

    #66

    I know this is a pretty old Vid, but I only recently started getting back into poker.

    The example at min 21, did'nt really make sense to me. Why do you 3bet AJ und KQ? ARen't they part of your calling range against a 15% UTG raise? In this situation I would much rather 3bet JTs and T9s given their playability.
  • Emagiulio89

    #67

    What is thenumber of multiplier ? I don' t understand :(
  • FlyingDutchm1n

    #68

    Just found this video in 2015 but it was exactly what I was looking for great that this is a global videos guys!