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Tim64 is back with a live session at PokerStars. Discussed topics include limp/stab dynamics, identifying and targeting weaker opponents, watching for "sitting out" players, the disadvantages of playing 3-bet pots without the initiative, isolation raise sizing and much more.


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  • darkonebg


    Enjoy this video and leave your questions for Tim in the comments below!
  • ghaleon


    Turning off/not recording record system sounds when recording videos in future might be good idea.

    Lot of very loose opens to play versus fishy villains which is fine. Though I think in many cases those were bit too loose considering there were lot of loose players on position as well.

    33:50 Q4o: Would tend to check back. You wont get better hand to fold and worse wont call either, beside possibly Jx. If he does raise I think flatting would make more sense than 3betting imo. If he has air we are ahead, if he has any sort of value he is not planning to fold it (at least should not be). So personally I would prefer to 3bet hands that are total air and which because of that would also be in my cbetting range ---> We get better ones to fold and we dont have bluff catch potential in hand.

    34:28 AKs bottom right: Plan after cbetting?

    34:47 K3o: I would sometimes make 3bet to ~900.

    39:09 QJo: I would tend to flat there. Shoving is obviously profitable, but with 18bb I see more value in passive defense. Hand plays well and hits lot of stuff we very happily stack off postflop. When shoving very few weaker hands usually call.

    39:20 A9s: Not much for villain to have, but are we then cbetting for what? Getting pot down is obviously nice and all, but if all better hands continue (as they does) and few weaker hands call it does not sound too great. We do get lot of hands to fold that has like 30% or less equity but that alone is not good reason to cbet with nice showdown value hand imo. How do you react to check-raise?
  • Premiumnerd


    very nice video and nice run :D maybe next time choose some tables with a few more regs for a video, to get more interesting spots :)

    you say you want to play as many pots with fish as possible and avoid regs, which makes sense obv. But would you also stick to that if you see that a reg is taking advantage of that and is stealing your blind a lot etc. or would you start to play back although there are fish at the table? (of course I wont use that information to my advantage ;D )
  • Tim64


    Thanks as always, ghaleon, for the useful comments. I'll ensure the annoying beeps are excluded next time!

    In some cases you're right about loose opens; one can take the LAG approach too far ;) Regarding the specific hands you highlighted:

    Q4o: checking back is certainly legitimate, but we don't want to be too predictable. We have some sdv with Q high, it's true, and I agree that no better hand will fold when betting. But taking the pot down now has some merit. It's also the case that if villain has Tx (for example) we won't get him off that hand without betting multiple streets. The good thing about betting here is that it's a board villain can't rep so that's why I'd tend to reraise this flop. Flatting a ch/r on this board with a Q high gutshot is possible, but it seems unnecessarily high level.

    AKs: I'd generally be giving up if cbet was called on this flop in a 3bet pot. There are very few draws so I'd assume villain has tp most of the time (a hand I wouldn't expect to get him off). I might barrel a broadway card that's not a heart, depending on how quickly/confidently villain called the cbet.

    K3o: We can definitely 3b here to 900, as you suggest. It's often hard to balance such 3bs around this stack size, however. We tend to 3b shove small pairs and offsuit low aces for 15-25bb, so when 3betting small we're trying to say: "I have a monster, please call". We'll get some credit for these moves but only for a while... Also, it goes without saying that K3o is a dog of a hand and not one I'd be in a hurry to go to war with oop, in a 3b pot. So, if villain takes us up on our invitation and begins calling us, we're going to be uncomfortable.

    QJo: Yes, I agree; I think this is a good spot to call despite the profitable 3b shove opportunity. Ideally, I think we should be both 3betting and calling here some % of the time. (We don't want our 15-20bb flatting range to be too 'face up' as being only hands that flop good top pairs).

    A9s: Agreed, nothing better folds when cbetting here, so checking back would be very legitimate. On the other hand, villain seems somewhat staightforward and so I doubt this board hits his defending range (see above comment). Given that, I think bet/folding this flop is fine (i.e. I expect him to be pretty "honest" with his ch/raising range.) When betting this flop we can barrel spades or wheel cards to target any light flop calls.

    Thanks again!
  • Tim64


    Hey Premiumnerd, thanks for watching! It's hard to make a leopard change his spots - you want me to play in tough games just for your education!? :D

    In regard to your question - Absolutely. If we're being exploited, we have to fight back! The trick is to fight back in the most efficient manner and to keep in mind the end goal which is to stop him exploiting you unduly. (It's not necessary to "go to war" against another reg just for the sake of it). But I definitely think you can estimate the value of getting a reg off your back and weigh that against the value of staying out of his way long enough to play that all important pot against the weaker player; and very often the latter will be the higher "prize".
  • ghaleon


    For K3o: Yeah I would not be doing it too often, but personally I like to have small 3bet range versus opponent raising widely. That way we can widen our defense range little bit by having some of these hands that are questionable to flat or shove and stronger stuff we are inducing 3bets and dont mind to get called. Of course if overusing decent reg will quickly starting to doubt our range. But I think without history versus reggy opponent these plays tend to get quite lot of respect.
  • elekadammate


    Hi Tim!

    I just wanted to check out your coaching style for 5min but ended up watch the whole video. Great work! You are such a confident coach with clear speaking and you explain your decisions very well (you explained everything what i was curious about).

    I am missing some HRC or Equilab analysis from the video.

    For example when SB pushing and you say it's a Nash call, but SB don't push enough hand, it could be interesting to show, what range do you give your opponent and what would be your calling range exactly.

    14:18 donkbetting T7s is not a standard spot to donkbet. I think it would be interesting to do some equilab to show how weak BTNs range and we have enough fold equity. Regarding it is a live play, it's fine if it is after the video.
  • Tim64


    Hi elekadammate :) Glad you enjoyed the video and thanks for the nice comments.

    I will definitely include some more ICM commentary in the next video; perhaps in a hand history review.

    Regarding the hand you mention, I can't find the spot you mean. At 14:18 we have indeed T7s but we are raising from UTG and there is no button involved. Also, we're cbetting and not donk betting here. Can you let me know again, and I'll try to give you a response.
  • elekadammate


    Oh i was misreading the positions because of the loose open. I think the cbetting is not usual, and i think it would be interesting to break down the numbers to show how can we fold out that many hands.
  • Tim64


    #9, Sure. We need 31.82% folds to make the cbet breakeven. Let's give Vanad something like 10%-45% range of hands given his stats. Andyan can call anything speculative given that a weak player is in the blinds, so let's say 10%-65% of all hands. We'll assume a player needs at least second pair or the Qh+ to call on this flop. According to Equilab, Vanad has something he can call with about 38% of the time (flush/2pair/top pair/middle pair/or nfd). Andyan will have something about 37.8% of the time. Combined, therefore, we'll only have 25% feq here, which isn't enough. However, if we assume both players will fold some of their weaker paired hands when they don't have any hearts to go with them, it gets very close. For example, if we take a hand like J7o (which is in the preflop range we assigned to Andyan), if he doesn't have any hearts, he's likely to (and should) fold that hand because it plays so badly against my overall perceived UTG range.

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  • FourSigns


    really usefull video! thx for it
  • FlipFlop123


    loved this video! keep up your good work Tim
  • evLeisure


    I've survived 20 minutes... in 2 two attempts.

    Flat call 86s BU vs MP... pre ante...

    3bet pot, cbet AQ on board 732, well, it's not that bad though I'd prefer x/c, however x/f on T turn is so.

    After overcall KJo on BB, got 2 checks on 998, on Q turn... "we get some equity, but it's still not enough to voluntarily put money in".

    Opens with hand like K9o or T7s pre ante from UTG because of... something (not talking about sit out on BB).

    "We could bet less than half pot if we were HU" and betting slightly above half pot in 3way pot on J75s with KK.

    Betting like 190 instead of 200 when wanted to get the biggest FE.

    Folding A3o BB vs BU mr I will forgive because of pre ante.

    I won't watch next half of video.
  • Tim64


    Thanks, evLeisure, for your comments. I'm not sure if you wanted a response. If you did, you'll need to specify exactly what you disagreed with and why. If you just point out the things you didn't like, it's hard for me to come back to you with explanations of why I did what I did. Best wishes, Tim
  • Dany871


    Hi Tim!

    At 31:14 the 94o is a nash push i think, against realized call ranges.
    I opened the spot in HRC with ICM Malmuth-Harville 65-35 prize pool, in my opinion CBEPXYM's range will be 21.0%, 44+ A3s+ A5o+ KTs+ KQo, also there is the 33 and 22 with 50% in his range. IN this case our push range is: 97.3%, 22+ 8x+ 72s+ 73o+ 5x+ 42s+ 43o 32s. Of course he is nit, so i would try some limp stab, raise fold not seems to be good with 11 eff stacks. Thank you for your answer!
  • Dany871


    And at 31:30 top left table, if you are playing against 2 regs with stats around 20/18/8, K3s is std nash push or do you still only raise?
  • Dany871


    Hi Tim!

    At 31:14 the 94o is a nash push i think, against realized call ranges.
    I opened the spot in HRC with ICM Malmuth-Harville 65-35 prize pool, in my opinion CBEPXYM's range will be 21.0%, 44+ A3s+ A5o+ KTs+ KQo, also there is the 33 and 22 with 50% in his range. IN this case our push range is: 97.3%, 22+ 8x+ 72s+ 73o+ 5x+ 42s+ 43o 32s. Of course he is nit, so i would try some limp stab, raise fold not seems to be good with 11 eff stacks. Thank you for your answer!