10 Tips to get out of the Micros - #2 Fold less on the blinds

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In the second part of his 10 tips series double2 is going to make the reverse point in defending your blinds more often. He will get to things like what our problem with equity realization is when OOP, as well as how to prepare a gameplan vs the button and the small blind.

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analysis blind vs blind button vs blind bvb HM2 late position math micro stakes Steal Theory Video

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  • murzius

    #1

    nice :)
  • sparky113

    #2

    yeap soo nh i like it
  • trashfool

    #3

    nice, but needs discipline postflop ;-)
  • Zenetti

    #4

    There are some very reliable reasons, why winning Regs on Micros dont defend their blinds as wide as on higher limits:
    - some recreational players are still limping even in Late Position. If they raise, they are raising 3x, often even 4x and higher, clearly indicating a strong value hand. To defend your Blinds with anything else than the very best hands against this type of passive fish is just suicidal
    - some multitabling winning Regs are not interested to waste their time and energy with marginal blind stealing, but are just autopiloting with a very nitty range, waiting for the occasional double up. Coldcalling a raise against this type of player is again suicidal, especially in your suggested postflop Callstation style
    - in short: Recretional players and nitty Regs are much less openraising and according to this higher openraising (3x). They already are exploiting themselves, because they are openraising that tight. In other words: a tighter blind defence is already the correct adaption on the average Microstakes player.

    I cannot believe, your Button Maniacstyle (80% Openraise is just a joke, which anybody with a HUD will recognize) and Big Blind Callstationstyle will be the key to climb the limits. In my eyes it sounds more a recipe for disaster and last but not least for increasing the rake by increasing the action and bloating the pot with a bunch of weak hands. The key for climbing the limits should be to play good postflop poker on a sound preflop gameplan. To improve your game, nobody needs rules of thumbs but to learn, how to read his opponents stats and adapt accordingly.
  • double2

    #5

    Hi Zenetti, thanks for the constructive feedback, i appreciate it. Trying to answer some of those points you make.

    - "weak players limp weak hands and raise 3x/4x with strong ones".
    Well, this video is mostly regarding play against regulars. Against fish, it really depends a lot, and also depends if we are playing fast fold games or regular tables. In fast fold games limps are a lot more uncomon for instance. Of course, we should adjust our defense range based on our estimation of villain opening range and the size. But I would not be nitting it up against a fish that is opening 3bbs from BU, even if his range is tight (which for the most part we don't know) we have a big skill advantage and that should be enough, I'm not folding in that spot hands like K9o, A2s, Q7s or 87s.

    "regs are multitabler tight stealers". Let's be specific here, are you saying that the average reg at zoom NL25 6-max is opening 3bbs 40% from the BU? If that's what you mean I strongly disagree (maybe that's true for FR games), I think a lot of regs are indeed opening less that 3bbs from BU and they are opening more than 45-50% range. Yes, you should adjust your defense range acording to size, I'm not saying to call J4s against a 3bb open. And of course, if we have info we should use it, if villain is a 16/14 in 200 hands we should be tighter pre flop, but that's just not the reality in today's games.

    "your BU maniacstyle 80% open is just a joke which anybody with a HUD will recognize"
    This is by far the statement that I most disagree with. That's the point of the whole first video: regs at these limits don't know to defend the blinds and they will not adjust nearly enough against a 80% min raise range from BU. And your logic is a bit flawed in a sense that on one hand regs are tight multitabler stealers and on the other they will care enough to adjust well against my "maniac style".

    "to improve your game nobody needs rules of thumbs but to learn how to read stats and adapt"
    Yes, if we have info we should use it. What if we don't? Stealing 40% BU 3bbs and folding 75% on BB is not the answer when we don't have info. We should have a default game plan and then adjust based on reads.
  • Laci24

    #6

    Good stuff! :) Thx!
  • nvaz

    #7

    Very nice vid double2, great insight on the subject as usual . Thanks.
  • kacsa1st

    #8

    thx 4 the vid, enjoyed a lot :thumbsupshark:
    i agree with your answer to Zenetti ;)
  • vitanueva1

    #9

    Great video again double2. You are right. The only way to climb the limit, nowadays, is to improve the game in late position. A marginal improvment into the blinds cuold have a crazy impact on our winrate. To know how to play with wide range and marginal hands,
    (Let s say tp no kicker, second pair ...and so) is the key to win, and be prepared to play on higher limits. We can t wait anymore to hit our set in single raised pot hoping that the mega nitty or the aggromaniac has an overpair.... We must take care of our red line now....not when we will play the nl200. To learn how to play postflop at that limit cuold be very very expencive...
    Of course....i agree with your #5
  • redrawstump

    #10

    Thanks for the video. Obv. it depends very much on villain but I think this is sound advice vs 1) loose stealers and 2) unknown suspected reg. I steal loose and if I meet resistance then I'm assuming a strong range from villain so villain has good FE if he gets funky.
  • iNspiRe

    #11

    Hey there, Double2! Great video! Here are few questions from Russian community:

    1. Those 3bet frequencies that you use (like 40% of your calling range on BB, or 1/3 of opponents opening range on SB), where are they coming from? Is there some math behind this or is it just a rough estimation of yours?

    2. Are those tips (from 1 and 2 videos) applicable within MSS strategy on SH ZOOM tables?
  • double2

    #12

    @Hi there! I heard the series was gonna get translated for Russian :)

    1. These are estimates used by very good players whom I learned from, of course math can help us get close to those numbers but I don't really know the math exactly.

    2. I'm not an MSS expert but I definitely think so, specially the steal part. The calls on BB, I guess so too, although maybe calling hands like K2o make more sense than 56s...
  • iNspiRe

    #13

    We appretiate your answers a lot, double2. And here is another question:

    Can you please tell us what stats approximately will we have defending that wide? Like VPIP, PFR and 3betTotal
  • double2

    #14

    It should bump your VPIP by 1 or 2 points. The 3bet I don't think it changes much since I assume most of you are 3betting light, just with the wrong hands. But the strategy I advocate for you guys should bring you at least to the 23/18/7 area. Wouldn't mind to see looser. But be careful to not play to make your stats pretty :)
  • Pokerruudje

    #15

    Good stuff! Thanks Double2!
  • Siedepunkt

    #16

    BB vs BU: Postflop: You give 3 variety: c/c, c/r and c/f. Is donkbetting a good variety? Which group of hands would you donkbet? Donkbet against player, they c-bet
  • Siedepunkt

    #17

    they c-bet
  • Siedepunkt

    #18

    not more than 50 percent
  • double2

    #19

    Hi Siedepunkt, I rarely use donkbetting and for the most part I think so should you, with some exceptions in multi-way pots and against fish.
  • lincristian

    #20

    hi double2
    nice video ,i have one question ,if buttom open 3bb and we are in BB what should we do ? should we call like villain were open raise 2bb ???
  • lincristian

    #21

    i suppose this video is for 6max ,if we are playing fullring can we apply this blind defense strategy ?
  • double2

    #22

    @20 and 21

    Hi Lin. Against a 3bb open we should play a lot tighter than against a 2bb open, be very careful, hands like J4s or Q5s are no longer calls.

    In Full Ring, in my experience with some students, most regs are very very tight, even on BU, and it's very common to see steals on the BU as tight as 35-40%. Which means we should defend blinds a lot tighter than I'm advocatinig in this video, specially against 3bbs open. So my sugestion would be to try figure out which regs are stealing wide and which aren't. In small samples the VPIP/PFR are your best friends, and a FR player that plays 16/14 or less is very likely a tight player that is folding to much on the BU.
  • lincristian

    #23

    i see thanks you very much for the advice :)
  • imfar

    #24

    Nice video, Thanks for this. Really an eye opener for me. Can you present flat calling range from BB vs BU with 2.25 and 2.5 bb raise. I think these sizings are very popular among regulars at 10NL zoom.
  • piR

    #25

    nice video :)

    just wondering for your 3bet range BB is it not better to include some blocker hand (like AXo/KXo) ?
  • Alleen86

    #26

    Great stuff, double2! This helps alot in a proccess of improving the blinds play. Thanks alot!
  • Zanardi1

    #27

    @10:33, aren't the pot odds 3.5:1 instead of 4.5:1? In the pot there are the 2bb of the min-raise plus the 0.5bb of the SB and the 1bb of the BB.
  • Benrenc380

    #28

    Good video.
  • Benrenc380

    #29

    I didnt think about calling preflop with j4 spades :D
    i put it into the trash hands.I really dont like those hands.
  • Benrenc380

    #30

    I have a question about defending the blinds.so for example im BB and sb or co or bu raises not 2,5-3 BB but 4BB.how much does it change my defending range?
  • myndz

    #31

    @27

    the pot odds are 1:3,5 but the calculations are 1/4,5 = 0.22
  • Plompoker

    #32

    Hey Double2,

    I really enjoy your series but this episode is really overwhelming IMO. I'm gonna try to adapt some of the concepts in my game but I'm a little anxious I will end up spewing money. Thanks atleast for giving me stuff to think about!
  • Timray371

    #33

    Plom, I had this problem day 1 was good everyone was folding everything but day 2 and 3 where horrible nobody folding 2x and I found myself in some tricky spots post flop, I think I was starting to really over do it, So I decided that I would do lots more giving up on wet flops and reduce the sb 3bet a lot, I also reduced my tables to get it sorted out without going into robot mode while learning a new skill, It seems to have sorted it self out now
  • Afulibador

    #34

    double2, u put ur thoughts in a nice way my friend. btw, vc fala português, entao parabéns pela aula hahaha
  • Walleeee

    #35

    great video! really helps to start loosening up.
    1 question:
    if we use a depolarized 3bet or fold strategy in the small blind with the top % of hands (smth. around 15%), dont we face problems in terms of board coverage and kind of being faceup as we are very value heavy?
    In addition to that how do we adapt if villain starts 4betting looser, shrinking our 3betting range or 5bet sticking it in with equity hands? It feels to me this strategy is somewhat vulnerable, please correct me if im wrong :) (maybe this is because of the small blind being the worst position...)
  • Walleeee

    #36

    with board coverage i am asking because it feels like we miss a lot on lowcard flops :)
  • double2

    #37

    @35 and 36

    Actually a low card board favours the 3better, even if he is depolarized. Think about it, indeed we don't have low SCs like 86s or whatever, but neither the caller. So in a low board we are actually favoured because we have JJ+ and villain doesn't. So no problem at all with board coverage.

    Regarding playing versus 4bets, a good adjustment that we need to be prepared to do, is calling 4bets, that is an important part of playing against 4bets, specially when we use depolarized 3bet ranges. Of course you can shove 99 or AQ if you think villain will 4bet/fold too much, but you need that read, otherwise we should be better off calling 4bet with these hands in a lot of situations.
  • oanadaniela91

    #38

    Nu merg video-urile din seria aceasta!
  • fankyou

    #39

    Fine video. Helped a lot!
  • msnek

    #40

    Very good video. I have many questions though.

    28:53 I thought hands like A2s-A5s are actually more on the "poralized" side of ranges (something like those suited connectors as you demonstrated earlier) ?

    29:17 Why 1/3 ? How did we come up with this number ? What logic is behind that ?

    34:20 You didn't actually meant "overall defending frequency" instead of "calling frequency", right ?

    Thanks !
  • double2

    #41

    @40 thanks!

    28:53 not really, A2s-A5s are close to top 12% range, depending on how you construct. A hand like 76s is more 17-22% top range, again, depending on how you construct. Of course hands like A2s-A5s could be part of a polarized 3bet strategy, but that would be against tighter ranges (like BB vs UTG/MP or something) or part of a mixed strategy.

    29:17 it's a rough aproximation. Like, villain opens 30%, you 3bet top 10%, he should defend around half the time, give or take, so you end up playing against top 15%, which is reasonable.

    34:20 nope, I meant calling, we do end up defending a higher frequency than villain is stealing
  • diminem99

    #42

    Hi double2,

    First of all, thank you for the great video!

    I play NL5 and NL10 on Pokerstars.fr, but it is very rare that BU opens for 2x. The majority of the time BU opens for 3x.

    In that case, what shoud our calling range from BB look like?
    What percentage of BU opening hands should we be calling with ?

    Thanks!