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Tom durrrr Dwan is well known for his creative plays and big bluffs, but getting his opponenet to fold an ace on a 9AJJJ board is going to be tough at the best of times. In this clip, he does just that.

durrrr's all-in bet of twice the pot on the river obviously gives JC a decision. Would durrrr over-shove the river here with an ace? Is he getting the right price to call for a chop? How many times does your opponent bluff in this spot?

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16 replies
keoghh
Joined: 01.07.2011

Such a sick bluff, gotta have some balls to do tht. :)


standart play on NL4 nowadays


Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008

Originally posted by Saruniks
standart play on NL4 nowadays

:)


If Dawn had an J then the name of this video would be "Sick fold" =)

There are some combinations of J8+ in Dwan's range, so as played it's not so improbable that he has quads.


pokerprons
Joined: 30.09.2009

Originally posted by Saruniks
standart play on NL4 nowadays

Except ur gonna get called every time by the guy holding the ace.


bradomurder
Joined: 17.10.2008

I think he probably would overshove an ace there too given that he obviously puts JC on the A.

Durrrs the man. It was pretty much a snapfold too,


Originally posted by pokerprons

Originally posted by Saruniks
standart play on NL4 nowadays

Except ur gonna get called every time by the guy holding the ace.

It seems you played NL4 long ago,

you will get called by K high or so.

If player is above average, he will call even with Q high for split.


There is one and only one reason why i think it is probably bad; it is Tom Dwan who does it (image). But then again, they shouldnt even assume that tom dwan would do that without having A or J (Ace would be to get villain off of the split). What i like about his play a lot; is the fact that he is able to rep the J SO credibly the way he played.


MatejM47
Joined: 21.01.2010

Well i actually think the play is pretty good considering how good he can rep a J since he would play it like that 99% of the time.

On the other hand JC has to think his calling for a chop most of the time so he has to be right almost half the time.


Originally posted by MatejM47
Well i actually think the play is pretty good considering how good he can rep a J since he would play it like that 99% of the time.

On the other hand JC has to think his calling for a chop most of the time so he has to be right almost half the time.

Wrong! He is calling 100.000 to win half which is 25.000. Therefore he has to be right 100k/125k= 80%, (If he never wins the whole pot when calling)


thazar
Joined: 14.09.2009

That's just such a sick sick bluff


Steelbrewer
Joined: 22.04.2009

Tony G who had case J must be thinking "WTF is going on".


Originally posted by Steelbrewer
Tony G who had case J must be thinking "WTF is going on".

True, haha. He knew what happened before seeing the video :)


Zhusy
Joined: 17.01.2010

God the female commentator is annoying.

Anyways to the hand.

In my opinion considering Dwans image and the probability of him having a J there makes a call and a fold even good.

How the hand played off, the guy with the A made a "brilliant" check to induce a bluff, over-shoveing on the river was a standard play for durrr when someone checks to him, I mean who would check an A on that board? Except someone who wants a bet/shove. So considering the whole play the fold was bad and I would definitely call.


DailyDollarPro
Joined: 11.07.2011

Originally posted by bradomurder
I think he probably would overshove an ace there too given that he obviously puts JC on the A.

I dont think he ever intended to get him off an ace. He is trying to fold out a 9 or anything 10,10 - KK


bradomurder
Joined: 17.10.2008

Originally posted by DailyDollarPro

Originally posted by bradomurder
I think he probably would overshove an ace there too given that he obviously puts JC on the A.

I dont think he ever intended to get him off an ace. He is trying to fold out a 9 or anything 10,10 - KK

Maybe partly true but I's say it was more to fold out the A, I think a smaller bet would be much better if he thinks JC could have 9s and TT too, so he can rep QQ and KK too.

Durrrs reaction on the flop and the fact that he didn't cbet on that board also points to him thinking JC has the ace.

I reckon he played him for a fool anyway.