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onmybike
Joined: 03.01.2012

PokerStars Hand #81202738884: Tournament #567626251, $13.89+$1.11 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2012/05/29 23:03:25 CET [2012/05/29 17:03:25 ET]
Table '567626251 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: partykaemper (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: viking2win (1440 in chips)
Seat 3: Bruno Nero (1480 in chips)
Seat 4: Unam1337 (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: Dee Goo 77 (1720 in chips)
Seat 6: whitino (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: Ivey28 (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: James Tan29 (1360 in chips)
Seat 9: regularfishf (1500 in chips)
Bruno Nero: posts small blind 10
Unam1337: posts big blind 20
HOLE CARDS
Dealt to Unam1337 [Kh Jd]
Dee Goo 77: calls 20
whitino: folds
Ivey28: folds
James Tan29: folds
regularfishf: folds
partykaemper: folds
viking2win: folds
Bruno Nero: folds
Unam1337: checks
FLOP [5h Qh Jh]
Unam1337: checks
Dee Goo 77: bets 20
Unam1337: calls 20
TURN [5h Qh Jh] [6h]
Unam1337: checks Dee Goo 77: bets 40
Unam1337: calls 40
RIVER [5h Qh Jh 6h] [Ah]
Unam1337: bets 1420 and is all-in
Dee Goo 77: folds Uncalled bet (1420) returned to Unam1337
Unam1337 collected 170 from pot
Unam1337: doesn't show hand
SUMMARY Total pot 170 | Rake 0 Board [5h Qh Jh 6h Ah]
Seat 1: partykaemper folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: viking2win (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Bruno Nero (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Unam1337 (big blind) collected (170)
Seat 5: Dee Goo 77 folded on the River
Seat 6: whitino folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Ivey28 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: James Tan29 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: regularfishf folded before Flop (didn't bet)

EDIT: this one i copy from that chat of the coaching but i do not get this converted X( something is wrong i geuss with the hand history.

maybe you can read it so.
this is a horrible play of hero? he say that he play really good here but i think he play horrible here. who is right?


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onmybike
Joined: 03.01.2012

I think he only play well pre-flop al the other decisions are really bad. (maybe preflop he can also better raise depends on opponent)


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alxpoker91
Joined: 03.12.2011

i don.t like river.maybe there is something wrong


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Unam
Joined: 17.08.2006

Ok, so I will try to explain it to you again. The way I played my hand is pretty much faceup some flush. So I don't think he will call me loose if I bet any amount here. You said I should bet 1/3 pot go get calls from weak flushes.

And I still think my bet is better then that, because if he calls my bet once with a 2nd or 3rd nutflush, he has to call yours 20times and I just don't think he will do that, especially, since there are just the 7 :heart:, 8 :heart:, 9 :heart:, T :heart: that are not playing the board.

P.S.: I am not sure if you are interested in it or not (because you left before I could take a look at it) but the hand you said is a clear call, the AQ vs a 16,5BB push he has to shove A9s+ 55+ without AA-QQ and AKs to get it close to break even (without anybody overcalling QQ behind us).
And the A3o you wanted to call is a call when the opponent pushes 1,5times the nashrange which already assumes really tight calls.


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alxpoker91
Joined: 03.12.2011

Ok, so I will try to explain it to you again. The way I played my hand is pretty much faceup some flush. So I don't think he will call me loose if I bet any amount here. You said I should bet 1/3 pot go get calls from weak flushes.

And I still think my bet is better then that, because if he calls my bet once with a 2nd or 3rd nutflush, he has to call yours 20times and I just don't think he will do that, especially, since there are just the 7 Heart , 8 Heart , 9 Heart , T Heart that are not playing the board.

i didn.t see the flush first time so that is why i was so confused.now it makes a lot more sens :)


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MP89EST
Joined: 30.03.2008

I personally dont like the push since I feel like such 9x overpushes with nuts, burn money since we need really SDbound villain to make the call, I would bet small to rep blockbet to give him a chance to spewraise us or call with his weak range.
Although I guess its hard to hope river bluff from player who openlimps and minbets.

I would consider c/r small since I see often that people who make these small barrels will put 3 streets of them hoping for a miracle.(yes we rep only nuts, but people are curious with good odds)


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onmybike
Joined: 03.01.2012

Originally posted by MP89EST
I personally dont like the push since I feel like such 9x overpushes with nuts, burn money since we need really SDbound villain to make the call, I would bet small to rep blockbet to give him a chance to spewraise us or call with his weak range.
Although I guess its hard to hope river bluff from player who openlimps and minbets.

I would consider c/r small since I see often that people who make these small barrels will put 3 streets of them hoping for a miracle.(yes we rep only nuts, but people are curious with good odds)

+1

i like to play agressive on the flop and turn. just raise flop and turn. over push is really bad play. you do not play your cards face up. it is a very weak line you take just when you go allin on the river it can be nothing else then the nuts.


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MP89EST
Joined: 30.03.2008

Originally posted by onmybike

+1

i like to play agressive on the flop and turn. just raise flop and turn. over push is really bad play. you do not play your cards face up. it is a very weak line you take just when you go allin on the river it can be nothing else then the nuts.

IMO flop lead can be good, but I do not like flop or turn raise since, we do not have enough equity against a reasonable Flop or T 3bet range when he raises us, so it would be r/f. I do not like turning this type a rather strong hand into a bluff, I would rather let him keep betting his weak range.

PS! Why do you say that R push is a very weak line? This game is about exploiting villains hence when we have here a fish that wont fold any flush to a push we should push. Unams point is that he will run often enough into such maniac that it shows higher EV then betting smaller/checkraising river, im not sure of that so I prefer different lines.


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kevvu
Joined: 11.05.2008

Poker Stars $13.89+$1.11 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 9 players - View hand 1781058
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

CO: t1500 75 BBs
BTN: t1440 72 BBs
SB: t1480 74 BBs
Hero (BB): t1500 75 BBs
UTG: t1720 86 BBs
UTG+1: t1500 75 BBs
UTG+2: t1500 75 BBs
MP1: t1360 68 BBs
MP2: t1500 75 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BB with K :heart: J :diamond:
UTG calls t20, 7 folds, Hero checks

Flop: (t50) 5 :heart: Q :heart: J :heart: (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets t20, Hero calls t20

Turn: (t90) 6 :heart: (2 players)
Hero checks, Hero calls t40

River: (t170) A :heart: (2 players)
Hero bets t1420 all in

not hard ;)


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kurrkabin
Joined: 12.10.2010

Hi, guys!

Please, refrain from calling other people's plays "really bad", we are all here to improve and share our opinion. Let's keep a positive atmosphere.

Preflop is pretty standard, no need to raise KJ vs utg limper here unless we have some reads that he only limps small pairs for set value, so we want to exploit that.

On the flop I like c/c better than leading ourselves, because I don't wanna get raised from Qx or A of hearts and let go if not the best-then a hand with a nice equity. I also like the turn line.

On the river, I don't think checking is good. Villain will check behind a lot, if not all his weaker flushes(but as fishy as he is), he might and probably will call one small bet up to 100 chips with second, third or fourth nut FD. I lead river to about 90 chips myself, but I think I understand Unam's logic:

If villain is about to call our all in a certain % of the time with second or third nut fllush, we will show better profit ITLR than what we get him calling more regularly for 1/2 pot size or so.

It's pretty obvious villain is only calling with flushes here and it's pretty obvious what we have when we overbet ship in my eyes, but that might not be the case in villain's eyes.


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