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heres another one

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/131905_C641AB826A

im sick tired atm, so i played this hand very poorly imo, and shouldve just folded pre, however the flop play is interesting.

So lets just pretend like we get in this situation at times for discussions sake and what do you guys think about the flop play?

Im posting this one because im too tired to think about it and going to bed now ^^

but will take a look tmw or the day after, also at the other hands hehe ^^


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Welcome to profitville

survived my 25+bi below EV downer (at one point) in 4 days back to BE

pretty sweet imo


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Torg0th
Joined: 26.03.2010

Hey!

Hand 1 I fold on flop readless since you are very rarely gonna realize your equity, but as played I think its good. He represents nothing at all on river.

Hand 2 I would probably fold in game but wp imo!

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.


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acceleration123
Joined: 11.12.2010

Are you still playing 2 tables ? The ROI and hourly (EV) is just sicko sick. How big ROI do you think is sustainable at 60s/100s ? Do you see a big difference between those two stakes ?

Sick call in the last hand on the flop lol. But I don´t think it´s good, I also think he is c/shoving any pair on that flop (and if he is able to flat 56o pre at this stack depth then he is gonna have some 4x for sure as well. So I don´t think you get pot odds to call. There is a FD on the flop, too.


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yeah still 2 tabling,

honestly that hand i posted i think its pretty bad everywhere but am just curious how close we are on the flop will calculate it later probably

i think sustainable longterm roi at 100/60s for me
is around 3%

i feel like i have massive edge on everyone who is not a reg but ive played enough hypers in my life to know that even 1K games at 6% EV doesnt mean that this is sustainable longterm, it solely means that you are very likely to be a winner at those games longterm.

And i already knew that i was a winner longterm pretty much so :P

Trying to not be a fish and be like OMG I HAVE 6% ROI THIS WEEK I MUST HAVE GODLIKE SKLL YESSSS PARTY PARTY lol

Staying humble, working hard = path to success imo


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Falco35
Joined: 03.06.2010

Yep, you know that 6% ROI is impossible at hyper HU SnGs longterm. 3%-4% ROI ist just very, very excellent if you can hold it longterm. Ive seen so sick Hyper HU SnG Graphs to know that there is extremly much variance involved in this game.
e.g. https://forums.pokerstrategy.com/de/forum/thread.php?postid=10982668#post10982668 (open Spoiler)
this link is from the german community and I know this Hero from coachings and skype. Games were all played at the 60s and 100s HU Hypers at Stars.
Even serkules is running 300+ BIs over EV, Ive read somewhere

Good Luck sir

PS: About your toughts on the hands.....iseewhatyoudidthere.jpg :evil:


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acceleration123
Joined: 11.12.2010

Thanks Jack, that´s one nice answer.

Falco - that´s one very very ugly graph there :f_mad:


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53s hand;
my flop cbet/call is probably kind off bad i still prefer a cbet but i think a cbet fold would be best because against his draws we are flipping and against the hands that are ahead im pretty far behind.

However once we do call and he checks the turn i cant really believe he has anything there Kx would bet Jx would (mostl ikely) bet and no one is checkraising 4x there, the turn is a relative blank 56 gets there but hard to believe that would check:fold the turn so im not too worried about that and decide to call the river.

Very marginal hand overall imo, flop is bad, love the other streets however.

2Jo Hand;

pre and flop seem std imo
on the turn i check behind because not the best barrel card and on the river his small sizing is imo either a bluff or 78 or 6x the thing is, he cant have much 78 because those would c/r the flop the majority of the time, Ax not in his range at the river, and i doubt hes vbetting 5x that way also not sure what 5x would get on the river as played.

So i feel like hes bluffing 80% of the time and is valuebetting 20% of the time thats a small percentage given how the hands he would mostl ikely valuebet that small (to induce) ((i dont assume fish are capable of valuebtting for thin value with a small size unless i get proof of it)) are a very small amount of combos (78 not very likely because didnt c/r, and 6x not likely because there is just way less combos of 6x then bluff hands since already 2 6s are out there on the board)

do i beat all of his bluff? fuck no imo but because i only need to be good around 1 in 5 times, i only have to beat his bluffs around 50% of the time for the call to be breakeven which makes it a must call imo.

58o Hand;

dont like pre at all on the flop however i have some outs and i guess the math is close, tbh i think its in reality a bad call but im too lazy to find evidence for it atm by searching trough the math and running all the calc. To be fair it was my last game of the day and i felt like it was close so i just went with it hoping to end it there and then, felt kinda burnout (yeah i know fishlogic ftw )

New vid is uploading to youtube atm btw :)


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acceleration123
Joined: 11.12.2010

8:28 - don´t you think this is just way too thin to jam the river esp against the passive guy ? I think he much more often calls you with better than the worse Kx.


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so u think jamming is better then folding but just not that much better?

What im trying to teach u by asking my question redirected at you like that is :P

How thin is too thin?

Imo nothing is too thin if its 0.001% better u should do that.

The interesting thing here however is that you say dont u think that its too thin rather then saying dont u think its worse then calling, which insinuates that u think jamming is also better but not by much.

Im gonna assume you mean dont you think its better to just flat?

Well maybe yeah, maybe not, the truth is given the limited information we have we dont really know.

All we know is ;

when he leads the turn he has a valuebased hand. He wont lead the turn with hands like QT so we dont need to worry about the nut straight already (while thats only one combo, that seems to be the "scariest one" on this board to me at least)

After taking this line, i have the absolute nut part of my range on the river.
If i check behind flat turn, and then face a bet on the river i will have MANY weaker hands then Kx, in fact, i even have the BEST King X possible here.

He only has a valuerange here, never a bluff.

What we dont know is; (and need to know in order to figure it out if jam is much better (or worse) then flat.

What is he bet calling on the river?

If he is bet calling hands like JQ or other one hand type Jx, Kx, maybe even 9x because he just doesnt believe me and then all 2 pairs (because anything else, one pair or two pair hands, dont make much sense to have here)

then jamming will probably be best, if he only has 2 pair hands here that are bet calling and the others Jx are making a rediculously tight fold, then flatting will be best.

But this we simply dont know.

Overall however i believe "fishy " opponents are often more cally then nitty thats why i ended up jamming here.

The truth is, imo, given the information we had at this point in the video, that the only way you can make a mistake is if you fold the river.

I think both jamming and calling will be very very close in EV and if things are really close in expectation then its pretty pointless to spend hours discussing about what is the best out of the two because im sure there are other things i could learn to do better

Imo its like this; We have top pair top kicker, and we played it like we have 3d pair, so it would make sense to me that he will look me up pretty light. on top of that he would take the same line with just Jx or Any worse top pair.

So jamming cant really be bad, and neither can calling be.

However if u watched the entire vid u saw that he got it in in multiple spots with 2nd/3d pairs etc, so i cant say i hate my play there, i just think its about neutral, same goes for calling.

Hope it makes sense, just let my fingers type some without much tought :P


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vonki
Joined: 18.03.2008

Rungood is on y our way sirrrrrrrrrrrrr


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SERIOUSLY FUCK THIS

IVE SAT HERE ALL DAY STARING AT MOVIES AND RANDOM STUFF

I DIDNT REALLY WORK ANY YET TODAY SO TILTED AT MYSELF FOR NOT WORKING

TIME TO GRIND HARDDDDD

BE BACK IN SOME HOURS GL


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fml all day long hands exactly like this, really rediculous, its a miracle im up for the day

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/142048_0AA14C5920


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Originally posted by JacktShipper
fml all day long hands exactly like this, really rediculous, its a miracle im up for the day

don't lie but i guess i know what you mean ... just getting coolered and coolered. Had similar day haha


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yeah just too sickness

or like i have J9 on J74 flop or something

so i bet , turns a 9 i bet again, rivers an ace i ship

fish calls and show A9

and EV just plummits hate to see ev plummit


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moving further ahead into profitville after starting to mix in 100s;


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IKSecret
Joined: 23.02.2009

Havent been long here, tought you quit this blog and maintained only one in ductch comunity! Deffo subscribed !!!


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