Ask me anything about 6-max: pleno1's coaching thread

Originally posted by dwyt84
whats the difference between an open raising hand and an iso raising hand?

granted that a fish will limp call and c/f the flop almost always thus ATC is a good iso raising hand IP.

but what if they have a very small c/f on flop. what can you consider as a good iso raising hand?

any suited broadways, pp? or do you include suited connectors?

Hey,

If a fish doesn't fold often on a flop then this doesn't mean we shouldn't iso raise wide. If they are calling on the flop then they are calling with a WEAK range meaning back door draws and random floats, if we can get them to put money into the pot with a WEAK range then our bet on the flop even if we have 3 high is almost a value bet as we can expect a lot of folds on the turn to our PROFITABLE turn barrel.

In general, hands which are VERY good vs fish are broadway cards and big Ax hands as fish like to limp/call with suited cards and random Ax holdings.

weird! ok well if we say he is only representing a set or a Kx hand (in that example) - which is a really narrow range - then how can we be sure he doesn't actually have that hand? his play would be very similar with a set surely.. he flat calls preflop in position - looks like some small speculative hand like Axs, some suited connectors but largely small pockets. so then he calls the flop and pots the turn and river. if he had a set or Kx then he could easily do this for protection against the flush and straight draws surely? it seems like the plan is to pay off sets with marginal hands which i don't understand.

Hey, awesome thing you're doing here, mate

Now, I've got a problem with spewing ...
Coz I try to fight for every pot, use every opportunity I see and
try to adjust as fast as possible --- which leads often to spew and overadjusting due to sample size
being too small to actually make any relevant conclusions.

Suggestions?

Most recent example:

14/12 player but with 50% steal (over 75 hands)
Opens@BU, I 3b@SB ... he folds
2nd orbit, same thing, same results
3rd orbit in a row, he steals again, I 3bet with 55 and he now finally 4bets.

Thing with micro players - if they adjust, they do the very obvious easy adjustments that aren't hard to notice ...
This looks rly much like a "okay, FU this guy, now I'm finally gonna play back at him, he is so full of shit"

I 5b ship and obv still see him calling it off with KK

So while those who do try to adjust, adjust mostly in obvious ways ...
There are still also a ton of players who do not adjust at all ...
Most likely this guy was a nit who would've continued folding himself to death or until he gets a premium, whichever comes first ...
Obv he managed to time his getting the premium perfectly

I keep going back and forth between NL20-30-50, I'm pretty sure I'm capable of beating these limtis but the spew is cutting into my winrate hardcore as microplayers are stations and I should mostly just play solid ABC showdown-bound style ... but I just see so many opportunities etc that I can't restrain myself

EDIT: and that above 88 hand ... this "he's only repping a very narrow range" thing fails most of the time in my stakes as it does not matter how narrow it is ... If they take a weird line and should be full of shit a lot, they still just always (90%+) have it

So from which stakes should you start shifting your thinking from "doesn't matter if it doesn't makes sense - they just 100% always have it" to "such a narrow range he's repping vs my weak perceived range, I click herocall"?

Hey Pleno,

Grats on the ship last night. I wanted to ask, after seeing you talk about widening CO/BU ranges I've applied this the last couple of days and been raising 50% BU and 30% CO.

My question is that I'm playing on NL10, is this probably a bit too loose on this limit? Personally I think it could be, however maybe at NL25 it would be more applicable?

Thanks,

Jack

Originally posted by DeMarcohsp
Hey man,

I'd like to get your opinion on these ranges SB vs BU

Shot at 2012-07-12

Shot at 2012-07-12

With a 5bet shoving range of TT+/ AQ+.

This should be optimal. what kinds of adjustments would you recommend?

First is 3bet range SB vs BU

Second is flat range SB vs BU

Originally posted by pleno1
I was playing an Ept satellitek and ended up shipping it after a 2 hour Hu match.

Congrats, to which event is it?

I wouldn´t mind doing something like that too.....we can all dream ♦

x

Originally posted by StaticMoth
Hey, awesome thing you're doing here, mate

Now, I've got a problem with spewing ...
Coz I try to fight for every pot, use every opportunity I see and
try to adjust as fast as possible --- which leads often to spew and overadjusting due to sample size
being too small to actually make any relevant conclusions.

Suggestions?

Most recent example:

14/12 player but with 50% steal (over 75 hands)
Opens@BU, I 3b@SB ... he folds
2nd orbit, same thing, same results
3rd orbit in a row, he steals again, I 3bet with 55 and he now finally 4bets.

Thing with micro players - if they adjust, they do the very obvious easy adjustments that aren't hard to notice ...
This looks rly much like a "okay, FU this guy, now I'm finally gonna play back at him, he is so full of shit"

I 5b ship and obv still see him calling it off with KK

So while those who do try to adjust, adjust mostly in obvious ways ...
There are still also a ton of players who do not adjust at all ...
Most likely this guy was a nit who would've continued folding himself to death or until he gets a premium, whichever comes first ...
Obv he managed to time his getting the premium perfectly

I keep going back and forth between NL20-30-50, I'm pretty sure I'm capable of beating these limtis but the spew is cutting into my winrate hardcore as microplayers are stations and I should mostly just play solid ABC showdown-bound style ... but I just see so many opportunities etc that I can't restrain myself

EDIT: and that above 88 hand ... this "he's only repping a very narrow range" thing fails most of the time in my stakes as it does not matter how narrow it is ... If they take a weird line and should be full of shit a lot, they still just always (90%+) have it

So from which stakes should you start shifting your thinking from "doesn't matter if it doesn't makes sense - they just 100% always have it" to "such a narrow range he's repping vs my weak perceived range, I click herocall"?

Thanks mate

You really shouldn't force things too much, don't get too emotional when you're playing, I really am nto the best person to speak to regarding psychological stuff regarding.

Being able to 8bet bluff flops is cool, being able to double float and min raise all in on the river as a bluff is sexy, but not knowing when and how to do it and over forcing things makes you the fish at the table.

It is very important that we out level our opponent. This may be getting to level 7 at NL600, but being able to get to level 3 AND STAYING THERE at NL20 is equally as important. Being able to stay there for you seems like a great challenge and its something you should really focus on. I'd suggest not moving up and down the limits but trying to play 30k hands at NL20 and really focusing would do you the world of good.

75 hands really isn't a great sample to use and I'd suggest waiting for 300+ hands before trying to "force" things, especially at micro stakes where people are so unrealistic and can just spew about.

Originally posted by peche025

Originally posted by pleno1
I was playing an Ept satellitek and ended up shipping it after a 2 hour Hu match.

Congrats, to which event is it?

I wouldn´t mind doing something like that too.....we can all dream ♦

It's worth 6.6k € and you can use it at any event you want. I'm going to use it for EPT Barcelona which is on August 15th-25th, there are 46 events here such as a €1k HU and a €1k 6max win the button (whoever wins hand gets button in next hand <33333333)

Probably not going to play the €50k rebuy though ♦

Work hard buddy, it will come

Originally posted by liplippy
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Originally posted by DeMarcohsp

Originally posted by DeMarcohsp
Hey man,

I'd like to get your opinion on these ranges SB vs BU

Shot at 2012-07-12

Shot at 2012-07-12

With a 5bet shoving range of TT+/ AQ+.

This should be optimal. what kinds of adjustments would you recommend?

First is 3bet range SB vs BU

Second is flat range SB vs BU

Hey,

Well as I have a 3bet or fold strategy from the small blind, my range obviously doesn't look like this. If you want to be balanced and have a calling range here then it looks ok. I just think having a hand like KJs AND having the initiative is so sexy and allows us to play a lot easier.

It just looks like the standard TAG range that most people use. Sorry can't really write too much here as its just not the way I play and I think it is basically just OK and probably recommended ranges to "most" regs.

Originally posted by Quadzzzzzzz
Hey Pleno,

Grats on the ship last night. I wanted to ask, after seeing you talk about widening CO/BU ranges I've applied this the last couple of days and been raising 50% BU and 30% CO.

My question is that I'm playing on NL10, is this probably a bit too loose on this limit? Personally I think it could be, however maybe at NL25 it would be more applicable?

Thanks,

Jack

Hey Jack,

Opening wider in the cut off the adjustment that your opponents on small stakes will make is calling too wide in the blinds, i.e OOP, the button won't start making clever readjustments and flatting a stronger range and raising flops etc so I think if they keep calling OOP with a wider (i.e weaker) range then GL TO THEM!

Do you understand what I mean?

Originally posted by pleno1

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Originally posted by StaticMoth
Hey, awesome thing you're doing here, mate

Now, I've got a problem with spewing ...
Coz I try to fight for every pot, use every opportunity I see and
try to adjust as fast as possible --- which leads often to spew and overadjusting due to sample size
being too small to actually make any relevant conclusions.

Suggestions?

Most recent example:

14/12 player but with 50% steal (over 75 hands)
Opens@BU, I 3b@SB ... he folds
2nd orbit, same thing, same results
3rd orbit in a row, he steals again, I 3bet with 55 and he now finally 4bets.

Thing with micro players - if they adjust, they do the very obvious easy adjustments that aren't hard to notice ...
This looks rly much like a "okay, FU this guy, now I'm finally gonna play back at him, he is so full of shit"

I 5b ship and obv still see him calling it off with KK

So while those who do try to adjust, adjust mostly in obvious ways ...
There are still also a ton of players ...'ve continued folding himself to death or until he gets a premium, whichever comes first ...
Obv he managed to time his getting the premium perfectly

I keep going back and forth between NL20-30-50, I'm pretty sure I'm capable of beating these limtis but the spew is cutting into my winrate hardcore as microplayers are stations and I should mostly just play solid ABC showdown-bound style ... but I just see so many opportunities etc that I can't restrain myself

EDIT: and that above 88 hand ... this "he's only repping a very narrow range" thing fails most of the time in my stakes as it does not matter how narrow it is ... If they take a weird line and should be full of shit a lot, they still just always (90%+) have it

So from which stakes should you start shifting your thinking from "doesn't matter if it doesn't makes sense - they just 100% always have it" to "such a narrow range he's repping vs my weak perceived range, I click herocall"?

Thanks mate

You really shouldn't force things too much, don't get too emotional when you're playing, I really am nto the best person to speak to regarding psychological stuff regarding.

Being able to 8bet bluff flops is cool, being able to double float and min raise all in on the river as a bluff is sexy, but not knowing when and how to do it and over forcing things makes you the fish at the table.

It is very important that we out level our opponent. This may be getting to level 7 at NL600, but being able to get to level 3 AND STAYING THERE at NL20 is equally as important. Being able to stay there for you seems like a great challenge and its something you should really focus on. I'd suggest not moving up and down the limits but trying to play 30k hands at NL20 and really focusing would do you the world of good.

75 hands really isn't a great sample to use and I'd suggest waiting for 300+ hands before trying to "force" things, especially at micro stakes where people are so unrealistic and can just spew about.

Yeah ... I did awesome@20 last time I played it by enforcing the "just fold it" rule on myself - hard to stick to it though.

As soon as I moved back to NL50 after that, I immediately started assuming that villains should be thinking on higher levels and again levelspewed myself.

Guess I'm too impatient and try to force things and outplay ppl at every chance I get.

FPS FTW !

Now that is a sexy graph!

Originally posted by pleno1
Now that is a sexy graph!

If only I wouldn't ruin it every time I move up

Originally posted by pleno1

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Originally posted by Quadzzzzzzz
Hey Pleno,

Grats on the ship last night. I wanted to ask, after seeing you talk about widening CO/BU ranges I've applied this the last couple of days and been raising 50% BU and 30% CO.

My question is that I'm playing on NL10, is this probably a bit too loose on this limit? Personally I think it could be, however maybe at NL25 it would be more applicable?

Thanks,

Jack

Hey Jack,

Opening wider in the cut off the adjustment that your opponents on small stakes will make is calling too wide in the blinds, i.e OOP, the button won't start making clever readjustments and flatting a stronger range and raising flops etc so I think if they keep calling OOP with a wider (i.e weaker) range then GL TO THEM!

Do you understand what I mean?

Yeah totally, what I've found actually is they try to maybe 3bet me a bit more with complete air and flat the KT's and Q9's etc. Then postflop they're not really competent play OOP so it's like, thanks.

Cheers!

How do you deal with long downswings as a solid winning player? For example two weeks long you never win any flips, lose all like 80% of the spots where you're 65-70% favorite. Like after two weeks you still see your winnings minus 20-30BI (well this is std for hu, but maybe SH like 15-25BI?). Anyway I hope you get my point.

Kinda in this shit myself and I gives me no motivation to play at all

Ok. You said that you prefer to flat much more in the BB.

What do you say about these ones:

SB vs BU 3bet

Shot at 2012-07-13

BB vs BU 3bet

Shot at 2012-07-13

BB vs BU flat

Shot at 2012-07-13

Hi Pleno bit of topic but may I have the link to your heads-up post many thanks

Originally posted by Benm473
Hi Pleno bit of topic but may I have the link to your heads-up post many thanks

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