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allright, 2 more, guess im not that lazy anymore ^^

hand 8:
this guy 3bets 45% so i think this is about my bottom callinbg range? lucky flop and guess stnd play (unluckier outcome but what can you do :) )

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BB: $327.20 (81.8 bb)
Hero (SB): $471 (117.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8 A
Hero raises to $12, BB raises to $40, Hero calls $28

Flop: ($80) 9 A 8 (2 players)
BB bets $79, Hero calls $79

Turn: ($238) 7 (2 players)
BB bets $118.50, Hero raises to $296.25, BB calls $89.70 and is all-in

River: ($654.40) 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

hand 9:
his barrel freq are like 52 56 0% based on ptr. He 3betted once before 82s and didnt cbet at all, but that board was a lot more drawier. Think this is a good board to call F and fold T unimproved

Also about our bottom calling range prob

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BB: $630.40 (157.6 bb)
Hero (SB): $437 (109.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T J
Hero raises to $12, BB raises to $40, Hero calls $28

Flop: ($80) 6 T A (2 players)
BB bets $79, Hero calls $79

Turn: ($238) J (2 players)
BB bets $237, Hero raises to $318 and is all-in, BB calls $81

River: ($874) 8 (2 players, 1 is all-in)


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oscaar10
Joined: 15.01.2011

Hi Koen and Stephan :)

Can't you just ship over his 3bet with A8o?
He has only 80bb so don't really like 4bet/fold ( also becasue he can ship light over your 4bet because of his 3betting % )

And when he 3bets 45% i guess you will have a lot of fold equity and i think you won't hit te flop often enough to call here and calling sucks when you are just going to fold every time you don't hit.


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Rogier
Joined: 11.08.2006

not being result oriented, but I'd checkship KTs on the turn vs aggrostations. Furthermore, I can't fold toppair vs a 45% 3bettor if my life depends on it (A8).

I don't like shipping pre, simply because you can call him down with like any pair/ace high postflop as well, and your equity vs a ~ 10% range (guess he's not folding AT/88 to a ship) is quite terrible


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yoshiwa
Joined: 23.02.2009

hand 7:

with these reads i'd go for pot pot shove. You want to make opp mistakes as expensive as possible. I don't see any hand willing to play vs your 3/4 sizing now , folding to a pot sizing .
Plusside on that is if hes downcalling with Kx/Tx with a d , by the river the pot is 90 and he wont be ever folding anything + you never have a decision. One question tough on this hand , what do you do when he suddenly raises the turn? If he raised the flop you don't get away , even vs a 1.5 AF guy it would be hard , but if they call flop and then raise turn on a blank i find them 'having it' an awful lot....


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yoshiwa
Joined: 23.02.2009

hand 8:

personally i am quite reluctant calling this type of hands vs 3better that wide , simply because you only have 3 outs to hit on the flop (8 will sometimes be ok , but i discount that for the times your A is blocked/you flop dominated A)
Unless ure like willing to blufshove over his cbet or float with A hi you just end up folding terribly much , hating ure life when u get it in vs better A , or on a tp 8 and him having an overpair:)
Equitywise you are obviously ahead of his range , and ure in position , so i guess GTO its atleast a call ,but its just so hard to play (like i say , calling here you should like blufshove over his cbet from the moment u have 2 overs etc)

hand 9:

agreed , A hi boards are particularly good one to float , or to call with second pairs , just because 1) you could have hit em , 2) no more overs can come for villain to bluf on


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yoshiwa
Joined: 23.02.2009

Where are todays hands ?:(

Any comments to previous hands?

In the meanwhile some merchandising for alot of awesomeness in Belgian musical form:

PS: WATCH the clip , its awesum ;) :coolface:


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Just had this terible match vs a guy, his stats where mwah, could have chosen not to play him but in the beginning i saw some big mistakes allready like not folding to 3bets so i played him 500 hands and then quitted him.

His stats:

VPIP 93/49
oR 93, 3bet 24, fold to 3bet 20
4bet 7, fold to 4bet 66,6

cbet F/T/R 50 76 60
fold to cbets 38 50 100
ch/r F 15, T 13

Bet OOP vs check street before, Turn 88 River 64
AF 3,3

Hand 1:
Didnt 4b, to many foldEQ

He can have taht A easily so i would fold R to another bet, he checks and i presume he has JJ/Tx or PP often so valuebet

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BB: $66.83 (66.8 bb)
Hero (SB): $114.50 (114.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q Q
Hero raises to $3, BB raises to $9, Hero calls $6

Flop: ($18) 9 T 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $10, BB calls $10

Turn: ($38) A (2 players)
BB bets $15, Hero calls $15

River: ($68) 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $35, BB calls $32.83 and is all-in

Hand 2:
A8 again, maybe i should call with at least A9, or still the old AT?

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BB: $206.53 (206.5 bb)
Hero (SB): $216.74 (216.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8 A
Hero raises to $3, BB raises to $9, Hero calls $6

Flop: ($18) A 6 2 (2 players)
BB bets $9, Hero calls $9

Turn: ($36) 2 (2 players)
BB bets $27, Hero calls $27

Hand 3:
ch because high ch/r % and high OOPbet%, raise R small

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BB: $198.78 (198.8 bb)
Hero (SB): $215.99 (216 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7 7
Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6) Q 9 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($6) 3 (2 players)
BB bets $4.50, Hero calls $4.50

River: ($15) 7 (2 players)
BB bets $11.25, Hero raises to $26, BB calls $14.75


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hand 4:
maybe ch/b T and call non D river? or this is fine?

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BB: $154.73 (154.7 bb)
Hero (SB): $254.64 (254.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T 9
Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6) Q 2 J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4.50, BB calls $4.50

Turn: ($15) T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $11.25, BB raises to $32, Hero folds

Hand 5:
think i played this right

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Hero (SB): $234.89 (234.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T K
Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6) 2 T 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4.50, BB raises to $15, Hero calls $10.50

Turn: ($36) A (2 players)
BB bets $18, Hero calls $18

River: ($72) A (2 players)
BB bets $54, Hero folds

Hand 6:
Maybe fold pre, he was 3betting like crazy so i thought i could bluff him of his hand anyway postflop cuz of his weak range and i can make some monsters. T bet didnt rep that much imo, Jx would bet atleast 3/4 on flop and he is basicly repping like 66 or 69s or something or just air.. And yeah a fd too, maybe i should have folded the river but saw him spew some before so i felt that i couldnt fold

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BB: $173.48 (173.5 bb)
Hero (SB): $234.89 (234.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T K
Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6) 2 T 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4.50, BB raises to $15, Hero calls $10.50

Turn: ($36) A (2 players)
BB bets $18, Hero calls $18


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Hand 7:
we were ch/r the crap outoff eachother so i think this is a stackoff?

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SB: $347.21 (347.2 bb)
Hero (BB): $129.75 (129.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q 9
SB raises to $2, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($4) 4 9 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $3, Hero raises to $10, SB raises to $23, Hero raises to $127.75 and is all-in, SB calls $104.75

Turn: ($259.50) 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($259.50) T (2 players, 1 is all-in)

hand 8:
seemed like a 5x blockbet or a Kx hit, 3x and flushes would bet bigger imo and fd would bet F also. could be a bluff as well with other missed overs i guess

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BB: $526.06 (526.1 bb)
Hero (SB): $110.55 (110.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8 8
Hero raises to $3, BB raises to $9, Hero calls $6

Flop: ($18) 5 9 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $13.50, BB calls $13.50

Turn: ($45) K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($45) 3 (2 players)
BB bets $22.50, Hero calls $22.50

hand 9:
before this hand i 4betted as well, so now i did 5bet small and i know he loves to play big pots deep. He betted a lot in position so i ch/r him, thought about ch/c as well but didnt wanna see a ch/back at turn with fd or pair that folded on my R bet

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SB: $442.26 (442.3 bb)
Hero (BB): $219.90 (219.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A A
SB raises to $2, Hero raises to $7, SB raises to $21, Hero raises to $49, SB calls $28

Flop: ($98) 7 Q 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $61, Hero raises to $170.90 and is all-in, SB calls $109.90

Turn: ($439.80) 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($439.80) K (2 players, 1 is all-in)


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Hand 10:
since he did bet a lot OOP i checked T, also a J fkd me so.. FD would also give me the same amount of $ cuz of his high OOPb freq. guess this r is worth a small raise cus of him repping 22/99/TT or som

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BB: $222.36 (222.4 bb)
Hero (SB): $438.80 (438.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q Q
Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6) J 4 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4.50, BB calls $4.50

Turn: ($15) J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($15) 9 (2 players)
BB bets $1, Hero raises to $9, BB calls $8

Hand 11:
saw him do this 1time before and thought this might be a bluf a lot of the time, but would he ever continue on the T? and a FD may take a freecard and fold on the R... + i could rep FD if he had an A.

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SB: $212.86 (212.9 bb)
Hero (BB): $447 (447 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A Q
SB raises to $3, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($6) A A Q (2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $4.50, Hero raises to $15, SB raises to $25.50, Hero raises to $63, SB folds


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Originally posted by yoshiwa
hand 7:

with these reads i'd go for pot pot shove. You want to make opp mistakes as expensive as possible. I don't see any hand willing to play vs your 3/4 sizing now , folding to a pot sizing .
Plusside on that is if hes downcalling with Kx/Tx with a d , by the river the pot is 90 and he wont be ever folding anything + you never have a decision. One question tough on this hand , what do you do when he suddenly raises the turn? If he raised the flop you don't get away , even vs a 1.5 AF guy it would be hard , but if they call flop and then raise turn on a blank i find them 'having it' an awful lot....

agreed that i could make it a bit bigger, but i also dont want to scare low fds of wich is a big part of his range imo, so maybe i could bet the F like 9 and T close to pot as well, potsize may seem scary


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yoshiwa
Joined: 23.02.2009

hand 1:

he has Tx / JJ quite often indeed , problem is i don't see him being enough of an idiot to call you down with it
your range like always dominates those hands when u bet on the river.
but then again ,i dont ever see him having Ax (neither flop ch-c nor turn donk nor river ch point towards that)
so , or he is foolish enough to call you with Tx/JJ , but once i see him calling id rather give him a range of like KK/QQ/9x tbh :)

hand 2:

again calling 3bets with A8 , we need to work that one out , how low of a kicker you should call with vs what kind of 3betrange/villain tendencies
typical example where we are atleast forced to call 2 bets , but then the river gets really ugly

hand 3:

wp , i think i call like all the non-suited rivers aswell , even A/K rivercards i guess?
now river is a raise-fold i assume? tbh id make it bigger , since he is a thinking opponent , so he should discount most FD from your range , therefore assuming you might be just bluffraising


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yoshiwa
Joined: 23.02.2009

hand 4:

dunno vs this guy
makes no sense to ch-r turn , except with accidental 2P. Problem is he is spazzy so might do it with other cards , and then u have to fold as well . When you choose to check back turn you can call any river , except a suit imo , then its still a fold.

hand 5:

Did you have any read on sizing already? Fold ok imo , but think tbh its close . The weird 1/2 turn 3/4 river sizing really makes the fold better i guess ,since he could be thinvaluebetting the turn , and then once you call going vs the big vbet vs a spiked A.

Offsuited A you snapcall this right?

hand 6:

wrong hand :)


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Originally posted by yoshiwa
hand 1:

he has Tx / JJ quite often indeed , problem is i don't see him being enough of an idiot to call you down with it
your range like always dominates those hands when u bet on the river.
but then again ,i dont ever see him having Ax (neither flop ch-c nor turn donk nor river ch point towards that)
so , or he is foolish enough to call you with Tx/JJ , but once i see him calling id rather give him a range of like KK/QQ/9x tbh :)

hand 2:

again calling 3bets with A8 , we need to work that one out , how low of a kicker you should call with vs what kind of 3betrange/villain tendencies
typical example where we are atleast forced to call 2 bets , but then the river gets really ugly

hand 3:

wp , i think i call like all the non-suited rivers aswell , even A/K rivercards i guess?
now river is a raise-fold i assume? tbh id make it bigger , since he is a thinking opponent , so he should discount most FD from your range , therefore assuming you might be just bluffraising

hand 1:
yeah i thought he would be stupid enough to call Tx and i also put this in his range alot, thats why i did bet..

Hand 2: hmm deleted a part of the hand, on blank R he betted huge and i folded

hand 3: yeah didnt know how large to raise and yes it was a raise fold, but it worked out great by him calling with 3x, i was going for a blufcatch from his side.
Oh yeah and i would call a lot of rivers, almost every1 iguess


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Originally posted by yoshiwa
hand 4:

dunno vs this guy
makes no sense to ch-r turn , except with accidental 2P. Problem is he is spazzy so might do it with other cards , and then u have to fold as well . When you choose to check back turn you can call any river , except a suit imo , then its still a fold.

hand 5:

Did you have any read on sizing already? Fold ok imo , but think tbh its close . The weird 1/2 turn 3/4 river sizing really makes the fold better i guess ,since he could be thinvaluebetting the turn , and then once you call going vs the big vbet vs a spiked A.

Offsuited A you snapcall this right?

hand 6:

wrong hand :)

Hand 5, yeah ofsuit A i would bend much more towards a call, his range contains a lot of missed draws then, now im just fkd :)

6, oops :), repost tomorrow !


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Rogier
Joined: 11.08.2006

Seat 2: Player2 ( $44.70 USD ) - VPIP: 75, PFR: 38, 3B: 50, AF: 2.5, Hands: 8
Seat 1: Hero ( $54.10 USD ) - VPIP: 70, PFR: 44, 3B: 14, AF: 2.2, Hands: 8
Player2 posts small blind [$0.25 USD].
Hero posts big blind [$0.50 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero K :diamond: T :heart:
Player2 raises [$0.75 USD]
Hero raises [$3.00 USD]
Player2 calls [$2.50 USD]
** Dealing Flop ($7)** 7 :club:, 5 :spade:, T :diamond:
Hero bets [$4.98 USD]
Player2 calls [$4.98 USD]
** Dealing Turn ($16.96)** A :club:
Hero bets [$8.08 USD]
Player2 calls [$8.08 USD]
** Dealing River ($33.12)** K :spade:
Hero ($28.14 behind) ???????

thought this was an interesting one, especially considering the 8 hand sample.
Is the river a shove or a check (/fold or call?) ? theres some straightdraws that miss, eventually Ahi floats arrive, and there are some aces as well that beat me (and I'm not sure if all aces will vbet). Think this is one of the most difficult hands I had today :)


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yoshiwa
Joined: 23.02.2009

hand 7:

if so, then yeh. Q kicker , maybe J is bottom of my range tough :)

hand 8:

he cbets pretty big , any read on it?
if the 9 were a 7 id maybe call , but now i just see you being beat too much. Can easily be JJ-QQ , Kx , 9x. Maybe hell have a Ahi , but i doubt it's more then like 10% of times :)

hand 9:

wp , nice way to abuse your read

hand 10:

dont get the raise , i think the range you are getting value of is extremely thin.
Don't exactly get the 'i think hes repping TT/99/22 too' :)
22 would raise flop (there is an aggro metagame) , 99 could indeed be , and then any PP can be aswell , but why eactly TT??

hand 11:

if you saw him doing the 3bet earlier id call the flop en donk the turn smallish , 'repping' a Qx , still getting value from fd , and building pot vs Ax.
If you only saw him doing the bet well yeah , obv raise then :)
but i think the range you exctract value from widens with ch-r-c flop , donk turn 1/2 pottish


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yoshiwa
Joined: 23.02.2009

rogier hand:

learn to convert hands ffs :P

id never worry bout Ax that beat me ,thats life if it is so :)
if you see him checking back an A like, ever , i think its a clear bet.
If he bets hits blufs im sure he bets like all Ax aswell , thats why :)


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