TT call final table

Depends on villains range a lot. If he's shoving a relatively wide range here, like 77+,AQ+ or something, it's definitely not a mistake to call here, since you'll even be a very slight favorite whereas you'll need only 39.5% equity.

However, if he shoves tighter, like TT+, AQ+, you only have 40.3% equity, making it a very marginal call. And considering the short stacks at the table, I would definitely wait for a better spot. Considering you say villain is unknown, I would rather take the safe route and lay down my hand here.

Flat this 100% of the time this deep. Helps to know the payout to.... Were just not getting called by worse and flipping too much with too many chips. We can call 3 barrels on good boards and still have a stake if we lose.

Awkward, can you tell us the award for each place?

The payouts are really important to be able to judge the hand.

Under normal circumstances you won't be able to call in this spot for ICM reasons. It's basically the worst thing you could do.

Since you should know that you won't be able to call you shouldn't 3bet as well. Just flat his open raise and play him postflop. Otherwise you will always get in trouble.

Regards,
Asaban

Now that I slept on it, I don't even know why I even posted this hand. I just screwed it up for some reason. I don't know if I was tired or for what reason, but in retrospect I'd never make this call and I clearly wasn't thinking.

Payout:
1. $521
2. $379
3. $285
4. $198
5. $149
6. $99

Thanks for the replies though.

Edit: I guess the reason I posted this hand because I kinda got mad after throwing it all away after 3 hours of play and just tried to justify my awful play somehow.

OK.

So the payout is 31.94, 23.24, 17.47, 12.14, 9.14, 6.07.

7,000/14,000/1,750 ante

UTG: 152,111
MP: 59,089
CO: 276,939
BTN: 465,814
SB: 115,715
Hero (BB): 433,332

BTN raises to 28,000, Hero raises to 84,000, BTN raises to 464,064 and is all-in

The pot is 28,000 + 84,000 + 1,750*6 + 7,000 = 129,500

If you fold:

UTG: 152,111 - 1,750 = 150,361
MP: 59,089 - 1,750 = 57,339
CO: 276,939 - 1,750 = 275,189
BTN: 465,814 - 1,750 + 129,500 = 593,564
SB: 115,715 - 1,750 - 7,000 = 106,965
Hero (BB): 433,332 - 1,750 - 84,000 = 347,582

If you call and lose :

Hero: 0
Therefore $EV = 6.07, you win $99.

If you call and win :

BTN: 30,732
Hero (BB): 880,664 ♠_biggrin:

Now we can calculate everything we need with an ICM calculator.

$EV Folds: 20.117
$EV Call & Lose : 6.07
$EV Call & Win : 27.370

What equity do we need for a +$EV call?

[EV$(fold)-EV$(lose)]/[EV$(win)-EV$(lose)] * 100

((20.117-6.07) / (27.370-6.07)) * 100 = 65,94%

MP2    65.73%    65.33%    0.41% { TT }
MP3    34.27%    33.86%    0.41% { 22+, A2s+, K6s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T8s+, 98s, 87s, 76s, A2o+, K8o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o }

If he 4-bet at least 35%, you can call here

This is why I would not 3-bet here. Villain can easily 4-bet anything and we can't really call without a read. I don't like this 3-bet/fold (it's basically a bluff) when the hand is good enough for a flat.

Flat > 3-bet/fold > fold >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3-bet/broke

Thank you for your analysis, but I don't think it's necessary.

Just that fact that the shortest stack at the table has only about one seventh of our stack and the 5th place is paying ~50% more than 6th aaand that we're messing with the only bigger stack whom we can assume he knows about the term risk aversion, we just can't gamble here.

If anyone calls tight in mtt's, that's usually me. In fact if I would have spent just a second thinking about the situation before just pushing the button, I wouldn't even call QQ here. I would only call KK/AA only.

Up until FT I have no problem taking risks, but at the FT I think dynamics changing so much that I no longer need to take big risks, at least not until my tournament life is in danger. At least on microstakes where all kinds of crazy players can luckbox to FT.

What about QQ or JJ instead of 1010 in the same situation?

Is this also a flat call against chip leader?

Originally posted by jon011
What about QQ or JJ instead of 1010 in the same situation?

Is this also a flat call against chip leader?

If you consider that you have 65% equity against his 4-bet range, it's an easy 3-bet/broke. I would 3-bet/fold if he 4-bet really tight but call a lots of 3-bet (it's a 3-bet for value). If he 4-bet tight and don't call often to a 3-bet, just flat and play postflop.

Originally posted by Tarhonya
Just that fact that the shortest stack at the table has only about one seventh of our stack and the 5th place is paying ~50% more than 6th aaand that we're messing with the only bigger stack whom we can assume he knows about the term risk aversion, we just can't gamble here.

If he's a good player and know that you play ICM, he will frequently 4-bet shove here, he has a ton of Fold Equity against you. And this is exactly why you should prefer flat.
Vice versa, if he's good and know ICM, you can 4-bet him a lot (especially hands like A5s)