hey,carl:)i really dont understand this sentance of yours;with aces i can lose hundred times in a row and not have any chance to win next??how that could ever be possiblle???i will take AA and you choose what ever and lets flip 100 times:)))can you tell me with what hand then i should win no matter what...??22??27???JTs???thats bouders me most,that feeling that i have that my premiums DONT HAVE THAT WEIGHT as they should...all my hands and HH are available,i dont hide anything...
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man,i dont drink;)i use to before a lot,it could be really nasty...peace,i smoke it now 
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Originally posted by janushr
hey,carl:)i really dont understand this sentance of yours;with aces i can lose hundred times in a row and not have any chance to win next??how that could ever be possiblle???
Ok the point im making is that if we get it in with AA against a completely random hand we have 85% chance of winning each time. Now if we lose 5 times in a row on the 6th time our % doesn't change we still only win 85% of the time if we lose 100 times in a row that does not mean that we will win the next hand we will still have 85% chance. So while you will be super unlucky for this to happen thats all it is unlucky you need to play that same situation thousands or millions of times and you should see the results swing back your way
i will take AA and you choose what ever and lets flip 100 times:)))can you tell me with what hand then i should win no matter what...??.
There is no hand that you will win with no matter what no hand has 100% equity preflop
IK...was just trying to make a point,there is a problem,swings like 100 times long,LOL,that shouldnt exist,and if i need to win 4 of 5 i SHOULD WIN 4 OF 5,NOT LOSE 4 OF 5...i really think thats not fair and this way,it is almost as you said>;listen,weaker players need help,so we will crack ur aces and give some donk your money,and we will reapeat it hundred times,and later thru time and intrest,you will eventually get it back??
i am really sorry,i admit that i am no math wizz,but my impression is that there is some distortion from the things should really been...and you say to me that its impossiblle that stars support said that preflop any two cards have equal chances of winning??you are saying that now...w 85% i expect to win at least 8 out of 10...period...not to lose hundred times in a row...where is SKILLS there,please???
beside,conclusion that i draw from your words is;listen,poker rooms determine the winner,all your SKILL and patiance is for nothing,we will say WHO and WHEN WINS...it doesnt matter if you have AA and 85%,when WE SAY you lose,you lose...so,your 85% can easily be 50%...or 15%...ITS HOW WE SAY,YOUR CARDS DOESNT MEANS SHIT,WHEN WE DRAW THE BOARD???
SO WHERE IS THERE SKILL,AND NOT BINGO???and you are all laughin at me,cause i am unhappy that things are like this???i am sorry,but somebody is crazy here...i really hope its not me 
and further more,that i am worrried that things are like that and would love to have things correct and proper,that when you have 85%,YOU REALLY HAVE 85%!!!!!!!
NOT THAT POKER ROOM DETERMINE WHAT IS THE OUTCOME AND THAT YOU CANT EVEN CHECHK THAT ALL THINGS ARE CORRECT AND FAIR???WHERE IS SKILL THERE????THEIR RNG IS DETERMINING THE WINNER,AND JUDGING BY YOUR WORDS,IT IS EXACTLY WHAT IS;50%-50%...AND RNG(poker room)DETERMINE THE WINNER...
you said by your own words and admitt that your or mine 85% DOESNT MEAN 85%,and even worse,if poker room choose that you should lose HUNDRED times in a row,you should be satisfied with that???and eventually even the variance after you play xxxxxxx tournies???WHERE IS MY IMPACT ON RESULTS,IF THE OUTCOME IS DETERMINED BY POKER ROOMS RNG,NOT MY SKILLS OR MY CARDS,BUT EVENTUALLY WITH THAT THEY DECIDE TO DRAW ON BOARD??
and you say that they dont temper the results at all???
Right the cards have no memory. Each time you play a hand the odds reset. The result of one hand has absolutely no affect on the next hand. Lets say you toss a coin if you get heads 3 times in a row, the coin has no memory so you still have exactly 50% chance to get tails on the 4th go. If you happen to get heads 20 times in a row that doesn't mean your coin is rigged or fixed or tampered with and the on the 21st time you will still only have 50% chance to flip tails. if you flip the coin a billion times the results will be closer to 50/50 they probably won't be exactly 50/50 but the chances are they will be close to it and this is why we need to build up a huuuuuge number of hands in our database before we draw any conclusions
We're not laughing at you just trying to explain things to you thats all. 
Janushr bro, learn to write in paragrhaps ,most of your long posts are very hardly readable.
Best of luck
carl,i really appricciate your help:)
sinnology,sorry,mate,i do lose it sometimes when i am trying to explain something...i just try to give the best perspective on my wiew...TY:)U2:)
carl,as i seen that you do like play at PKR,as i have some small amount there,i challenge you to HU sng(smallest possible,not cause of money,cause of fun and play;)
I don't think i have any money on PKR at the moment, i'm just going out for an hour i'll check when i get home and then sure we can play if i have some $$ there.
i can transfer you few $$,only dont know what is minimum tables there??0.50$??1$???
Sigh, I have no idea why I'm continuing this, but there's no traffic anywhere and someone said wrong things about an algorithm
@janus: hey,i already stated i am no math wizz i saw that 249 combo..
Yeah, but really, it is much easier to make the effort and learn it, rather than send 5k mails to stars.
Besides, when you make statements like this: THEIR RNG IS DETERMINING THE WINNER,AND JUDGING BY YOUR WORDS,IT IS EXACTLY WHAT IS;50%-50%...AND RNG(poker room)DETERMINE THE WINNER...
Let me clarify some things for you. The rng does nothing more than shuffle the deck. Once the deck is shuffled, they deal it out like in a real world poker game: burn deal, burn flop, burn etc. In fact, the online shuffle is actually much better than a live one, since real people cant shuffle all that well. The RNG doesn't deal you the deck or choose the next card or anything, saying things like that is using shady language that convinces you you are right.
Damn, so much abuse of probablities happening: 85% equtiy does not guarantee 8 victories in ten, nor 85 in 100 or anything at all. There are no guarantees in probablity, just likelihoods. Yep, AA can lose to 72o a hundred times in a row, and the likelihood of that is indeed positive, but very small
So perhaps you're going through a long downswing, or perhaps you play at levels where players with less skill than you don't care and shove any two. Or that you like to play the victim, I have no idea.
Or, perhaps, the poker rooms have taken the latest trend of "helping the recreational player to survive a little more so that we can get more rake" a bit too far. Not much, so that it can be traceable, but who would notice if that 85% was changed into 80% or 75%. You would still be a winning player in the long run, just not as much as you should have been. And it doesn't take a lot of people to know about that, just a small tweek in the algorithm so that certain cards get dealt more. It's the same basic idea that was used by those that were counting cards in Blackjack to beat the casino. If the percentage of certain cards (eg. small value cards) is altered in some way, the odds become distorted.
If you think a site is "rigged" 
against you then go play on another site, if that's rigged against you then give another site a try. If that's rigged against you then I could easily conclude your just not very good at poker. If you however find a site you win on then stay there, it makes sense even if it's just to ease your paranoia and improve your mindset whilst playing. No point playing on a site where your always thinking you are doomswitched. GL
Didn't read the thread at all (big reason is most of posts are unreadable because there are no paragraphs)...just stumbled into this, because you used CAPS.
Originally posted by janushr
if i need to win 4 of 5 i SHOULD WIN 4 OF 5,NOT LOSE 4 OF 5
This statement is so wrong. Clearly you never had much understanding in advanced (by that I mean the tougher subjects in high school, not even university stuff) maths or statistics if you claim that. Every event has it's own probability (4/5 in this example).
By what you are saying, if you play 5 hands where you are 4/5 favourite and if you lose first one, you automaticaly become 100% favourite to win next 4. But it does not work that way. The second hand is again 4/5, as is the next (regardless of the result of previously played hands). So it is possible to lose (or win) many 4/5 hands in a row, and the chances in next one will still be the same (meaning you are not guaranteed to win next one).