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pleno1
Joined: 19.11.2010

Originally posted by CrazyStyle
Hey there, nice coaching today, really liked it.

So from todays stream I understoon this :

Range, Ranges, Alot of ranges, if I understood correctly, to be profitable nowadays and move up the stakes u should have alot of diffrent ranges against diffrent opponents and in diffrent positions and situations, thats alot of ranges.

So how do we figure out these ranges in these spots that we are in ? and figure out that they are proffitable ? I mean if I have a hud and about 1k hands on an opponent I can probably make up a range that would be profitable to 3 bet him depending on his fold to 3bet, also considering his called a 3 bet stat, and go from there, but today you played without stats against unknowns and u were quite dead on, on their ranges and made proper adjustments. So theres got to be some kind of chart (?) of standart ranges against loose passive or loose agressive or tag players that can help me and others understand the concept of this and move from there on.

Atm im struggling with nl50 cant seem to get it going and want to turn a new leaf and start uping my skill, and I understand that its critical that i get this. And will be able to make my own ranges depending on the information on the opponents that I have, and it will be profitable, and will make a huge impact on my winrate and self confidence, to move higher.

Can you give more info on overbetting checked multipots ? I really do think its a goolden spot, cuz im constantly seeng 3bet multipots where people have sd value hands but dont bet because theyre scared of getting raised or whatever, and they will call, but not an overbet, theyll just think I drew out and easy fold, and if I do get called, next time ill overbet my value range and get paid ( the magic of balancing )

Guess thats it for now, but ill be back like schwarzenegger

Hey CrazyStyle,

How are you? Thanks for the nice words, but I'd also like to thank you for asking questions where others may say "thanks" :)

Ranges: Ok, so basically as we move up stakes, good regs will exploit us pretty hard as they will have coaches like me who will do deep "kill the reg" analysis. This means that if you are completely value orientated in certain spots (such as only betting aa vs utg) or only 3betting a value range frmo SB vs btn, then they will quickly see. Now at nl25 its not massively important, but you want to move up stakes, and this means that you need to have at least a basic game plan for when you move up the stakes, otherwise you will probably take over 100,000 hands to really understand the new stake. So I've tried to adopt advanced strategies, that are actually vv simple to people from NL25, so their overall game plan is solid and they are trying to work on it.

As well as your game improving, it also makes you think about poker on a deeper level outside of "ah lets wait for aces, value bet vs this fish etc.

Generally the first step should be to try and work out VERY basic ranges.

How do we do this?

Ok, we WANT to have a 3bet value range, a calling range and a 3bet bluffing range, vs regs.

Lets try this V simply here.

3bet value range:
AA
KK
QQ

Calling range:
AK
AQs
KQs
JJ
TT
99
88
77

Alright, so without going into exact combos, generally we need/or strive, to have as many 3bet bluffs as 3bet value hands, this means our range is "BALANCED" as we have an equal amount of value and bluff hands.

So now out of every single combination of hands, we need to try and pick 2 that go into our 3bet bluffing range.

Very simply, we should choose the best hands that we fold AND hands that have blokcers (these are generally the same) why? Well if we can 3bet KQ or 82o, of course KQ makes more sense :)

So our 3bet bluffing range would look something like

AQo
KQo

Once we have our basic ranges defined, i.e working out which hands we 3bet bluff co vs btn, bvb etc then we can start working really hard on our ranges, but just generally having a good understanding initially and thinking, ah Q9s, fold, "ahhhhhh actually, this is probably the best hand I would fold, so lets put it in our 3bet fold range"


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xenomorphic
Joined: 29.12.2010

i love reading about 3betting theory


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doctorkgb
Joined: 01.04.2009

Without any question being asked now, I truly appreciate your effort and time in this stuff.


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mko101
Joined: 14.01.2009

Why are you such a bosss?


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pleno1
Joined: 19.11.2010

Originally posted by mko101
Why are you such a bosss?

No you.

@doctorkgb, <3


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ilidek
Joined: 06.07.2010

[QUOTES]Also use me, treat me like your bitch. Post basic/advance/expert theories and I'll try my absolute best to help you out. I want to help [/QUOTES]
You bet I will! :)

I used to be wining NL10 player shooting nl25 but I am ~-180$ under EV and I must play nl4 to keep my BR management. Just keep in mind my stakes. Bellow I add my stats maybe you will find some of my leaks and things I should improve in first place. If you want to know more stats just tell me which one and I’ll write it down. I have an idea that you will tell me my leaks I’ll read about it and write down what I think I should change in my game and after that you will sharpen it up. Something like your homework in blog: a gril with a dream.

My cbet turn is 38%, x/f on T vs second barrel is 38%. Under turn table you have cbet flop 3bet pot and fold to cbet 3bet pot and raise cbet 3bet pot. River Call Efiency 1.38


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bennisboy
Joined: 11.04.2011

Originally posted by ilidek
[QUOTES]Also use me, treat me like your bitch. Post basic/advance/expert theories and I'll try my absolute best to help you out. I want to help [/QUOTES]
You bet I will! :)

I used to be wining NL10 player shooting nl25 but I am ~-180$ under EV and I must play nl4 to keep my BR management. Just keep in mind my stakes. Bellow I add my stats maybe you will find some of my leaks and things I should improve in first place. If you want to know more stats just tell me which one and I’ll write it down. I have an idea that you will tell me my leaks I’ll read about it and write down what I think I should change in my game and after that you will sharpen it up. Something like your homework in blog: a gril with a dream.

My cbet turn is 38%, x/f on T vs second barrel is 38%. Under turn table you have cbet flop 3bet pot and fold to cbet 3bet pot and raise cbet 3bet pot. River Call Efiency 1.38

I think you're playing too many hands in the SB. You're guaranteed to be oop. I've recently reduced my SB range to bigger hands. Figured out I was playing far too many speculative hands OOP. I'm now pretty much only playing from the SB if I can 3b for value or I think there is sufficient fold equity to get BU raiser to fold


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maheepsangari
Joined: 08.06.2010

For yesterdays stream did you use XSplit, Wirecast or Flash Media Encoder?


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CrazyStyle
Joined: 05.05.2008

Thanks for the reply, got me thinking, Ill come up with some more questions for shure. oh wait I already have one :

Whats your perspective on opening alot of hands sb vs bb, when bb has a fold vs steal 60+, my open sizing (when im midstacked) on nl50 is 1.13 1/2 pot button, so we invest 0.88c blinds to win 0.75c [ 88/(75+88)=54 ] so mathematically its profitable, but we do get to see the flop with garbage hands and waste time on that, while we could have played more tables, the other question is the stat itself fold bb vs steak from sb, it has to be accurate so a good sample is requared and plus the opponent could adjust and start widening hes calling and 3beting ranges, although I dont think many people do at nl50 at cake poker, still. The other side of it all that we get to play alot of diffrent hands and somewhat imrove out postflop skill.

I wrote all of this down and kinda have a feeling I answered my own question, that this isnt such a good spot to be making enough to actually do it. Anyways whats your thoughts ?


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panedek
Joined: 28.06.2010

guys, someone recorded yesterdays coaching?


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adasko99
Joined: 13.02.2011

Originally posted by adasko99
hi pleno1 , very cool thread :)

Is 6max suitable for MSS players?


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bennisboy
Joined: 11.04.2011

Originally posted by adasko99

Originally posted by adasko99
hi pleno1 , very cool thread :)

Is 6max suitable for MSS players?

Nothing is. get outta here you dirt MSSer

(Pleno is always pretty busy, so you may have to wait a couple of days for a response. Dude don't stop working!)


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adasko99
Joined: 13.02.2011

I can't figure out whether first line, second line, or both lines of your reply are irony :f_biggrin:
let me learn poker a bit as MSS first, so i can swith to BSS later yes? :f_grin:

I was just wondering about it, cuz from what i understand, in MSS there should be more steals and resteals then in BSS - so seems like it suits 6-max to me :f_ugly:
But on the other hand, BSS generates more Fold Equity when 4betting & 5betting light, which is good for 6max right?
or not? :f_mad:

So what's better at the end of the day? :f_cool:


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NightFrostaSS
Joined: 25.10.2008

Sure you can play MSS on 6max tables. There's a bunch of "pro" 6max MSSers out there.


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Originally posted by pleno1
Ok, we WANT to have a 3bet value range, a calling range and a 3bet bluffing range, vs regs.

Is this generally the case that we want 50% Value 50% Bluffs? Or does this change, when Villain has higher or lower FT3bet? I.e. if he has 80% Ft3bet, shouldn't our 3bet Range consist of 20% Value and 80% Bluffs?


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Beseventh
Joined: 06.01.2010

Hey ,

Does anyone can recommend zoom videos for nl10 SH player. We have some in polish section but they ain't great.


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Here you go:

Fast fold


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eszibit
Joined: 10.12.2007

Hi pleno1 ,awesome stuff you are doing as always.

questions:

1.I filtered over 300k hands and when i'm calling a 3b pot ( mostly IP ) i'm losing money ,should i flat more QQ+ and AK hands?

2. Let's say u have TcTh on QT4ss board after u call a 3b ( his range for 3betting is like 10% and cbet 70% ) should u raise for balancing purpose because u can raise with fd's and oesd's or just call to have a stronger calling range.

3. I think internet or ifs said that we don't have to have all lines possible in our playing style but we have to have all the hands in the line we take ( it was something like check raising wet boards with both nuts and backdoors and stuff ) .
I started to check a lot of the time when i have let's say JJ+ on 225 after i 3bet because they always bet in position there and sometimes i check AK/AQ too. Or is it better to just double barrel with the entire range? I guess this should be opponent specific,right?

4. We need videos about adjusting and meta-game ,i keep failing at that

5. I had an 150k upswing for like 10bb/100 and ran over ev a lot ,now for the last 150k hands i'm breaking even and the winrate is 5bb/100 ( the ev adjusted winrate is around 3bb/100 ) and this is for nl200+nl100 . Playing ussually 10-12 tables , could this be normal or are the regs just adjusting better then i am adjusting?

Thanks for taking the time to teach us :f_biggrin:


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pleno1
Joined: 19.11.2010

Whats up guys, happy Saturday :)

Originally posted by adasko99

Originally posted by adasko99
hi pleno1 , very cool thread :)

Is 6max suitable for MSS players?

Sure, SO many players, myself included, just think anybody without 100bbs is automatically a fish, so if you can understand you image and how people play against you, you can make so much money. C/minraising and the full stackers will be like uoijf4hnugf fkn short stack has it again and really it was just a cheap bluff :)


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pleno1
Joined: 19.11.2010

Originally posted by bennisboy

Originally posted by adasko99

Originally posted by adasko99
hi pleno1 , very cool thread :)

Is 6max suitable for MSS players?

Nothing is. get outta here you dirt MSSer

(Pleno is always pretty busy, so you may have to wait a couple of days for a response. Dude don't stop working!)

Ha, thank <3


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