Broken RNG

Poker is rigged somehow. I have played a ton sngs and i came to this conclusion. I see to many weird setups but i have been compromised with this

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Either way, I seriously doubt anyone can do anything about it.

Even with a sample as large as OP has it doesn't prove the RnG is rigged.

I really can't see a lawsuit ever being profitable.

Originally posted by Spikelema
One final point about why it would be moronic for poker rooms to cheat.

You argue that they want the fish to stay and give them the good hands and the better players the worse hands so the fish stick around.

Why would you give the player who understands the statistics/percentages/odds/out and all those thing, hands that defy those calculation.

Its like trying to lie to a chemist about knowing what all the ingredients in shampoo actually do. You may fool the guy who lives around the corner but the one who actually knows is going to point it out.

They would be digging their own grave. (It would also be more than a few posts by a very very small minority about how they think its rigged.)

why?as someone mentioned,how you can prove it???example:i play some 1.5$ knockout sng and absolute donk is next to left,and reraise me few times,so u decided to take a stand...i limp KJ and he 3bet,i call...flop K57r,i check,he pot 300,i reshove 1,2k,he called w A3...turn 3...river 3...so he had nothing,raise and call shove w NOTHING,but eventually i bubbled,and this DONK shove next hand w A5o vs BB AK...guess who wins for 6k???so,this is just another bad beat,right??

next one i raise b-50 3x w KK and BB calls,flop is T53 and he donks,i raise and he reshove,ofc i call,and he show KT...turn is T...ANOTHER BAD BEAT??

so,when this keep happening EVERY DAY,what should i say??and this isnt happening just to me,i see a TON of suckouts,where DONK has nothing,raise w nothing and eventually HIT MIRACLE...so,HOW I CAN PROVE ANYTHING??

all would say,it happens,keep playing,i say,its not fair,but to PROVE something FISHY,VERY HARD...as,you need large sample or what ever,but my impression i go with BELTHAZORRR...

Got JJ counterfeited in live game.
Saw a fish win vs me KK<66 TT<77 and vs others A5>AQ, A3>QQ, 25>KJ all in the same tourney

Live is rigged?

Originally posted by w34z3l
Hopefully this doesn't need to turn into standard poker is rigged thread.

Too late from the moment OP posted

I think OP should shove all those stats to some math professor and ask him to make all calculations. in most poker forums you will not find the truth bc:
1) Most ppl, even some coaches are not competent enough to do it
2) Their opinion is biased bc they get money from pokerooms or are affiliated in some other way with them

But as w34z3l said, even if they showed insane deviation from standard expectations, PokerStars can simply respond "sample too small. results inconclusive"

I'm a winning MTT player and have had multiple 300+ mtt downswings, I've seen a lot (A LOT) of bullshit.
The only thing that makes me think that poker is rigged are those miracle stories when someone buys a ticket with their last dollars and then binks it.
It also happened to me after last summer when I left 200$ in stars with intention to go broke and not play until fulltilt reopens, but I shipped 1$ 3x turbo rebuy with 6.7k runners and made a comeback. Also I received a message from friend the other day "Sry dude i'm going broke", I opened fulltilt few hours later just to find him at the final table.

I hate to admit that I kinda want to spew my roll and buy into 7M sunday million with last bucks.

+1 :f_biggrin: :f_biggrin: :f_biggrin:

But as w34z3l said, even if they showed insane deviation from standard expectations, PokerStars can simply respond "sample too small. results inconclusive"

He would do it for himself or for other players, or for lawsuit. Of course pokerstars and most "experts" in poker forums would say that "sample too small. results inconclusive", even thought no really competent math scientists ever set some standards based on serious calculations (not on their opinion or on their interests) what hand sample is enough and how to make occurate calculations and etc.

everybody leave this rigged site and go to ipoker and party, if a lot of you go there traffic will rise on those sites so, everubody playing at stars because of the traffic , but remember YOU are the traffic not the poker room so go and play elswhere in a better not much rigged rooms.....

i would put my name on that lawsuit,if neccesary,NOT cause i am SURE that they are rigged,but CAUSE i am not certain they ARENT and i never hear anything except;CIGITEL and go there...why there isnt some body to regulate this???there is LOADS if MONEY and all we get is;TRUST US...??i think we all hear that before from UB,AP,FTP...

EVERY PLAYER DESERVE TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON...so,if they have nothing from players losing one or other,SO WHY THERE ISNT ANY TESTS TO PROVE THAT POKER MARKET IS REGULATED AND FAIR AND SAFE TO ANYBODY???

my opinion is that this above isnt true,as its in poker room favor that weaker player SUCKOUT on better,get some extra cash that they didnt deserve and play some more...

arent they tried all to make sure this is the PROPER ENVIROMENT for poker???segregating players is what we know,what we dont know...??there is storys all over net how poker rooms ar trying to affect enviroment and make it more SUITABLE FOR RECREATIONAL PLAYER???

I am so amused by people saying that it's in poker rooms favor that WEAKER player sucks out on the STRONGER.

I wonder how the software determines such facts.

Spoiler

EXAMPLE:we have AK,we raise,and FISH call the SB...flop is As2d5h...we Cbet,he calls...turn is 6s,and we bet again bigger...sudenlly he overbet shoves??we tank and call,and he shove 2s7s for pair and FD...and he HITS...

this is a real hand,where FISH called w WORSE hand ever,hit botom pair vs my TPTK,float and hit FD turn and overbetshove???and for reward he gets there??

EXAMPLE:we have A5s and raise,FISH call btn,and flop is Ad2h4h,so we have TP and NUT FD and wheel draw,so we bet OFC,FISH calls,turn is 9d,we bet bigger again and FISH overbet shove,we call OFC,and he show 3d4d...and river is 6d???so he get rewarded??

OR NOT TO MENTION ALL THE HEAVVY DOMINATING ALL IN SHOVES W;
AA vs KK-22(HIGH PAIR vs LOW)AK vs Ax(stronger ACE vs LOW ace)or simmilar bullshit when guy SHOVE/call w 35o for 25BB vs JTs or KQs???

how you can prove anything here??everybody would say FISH get lucky,BAD BEATS happens,you are winning in the LONG RUN...i say i saw a bunch of bullshit,and feel a LOT of it

no,poker rooms favor the stronger,their goal eventually is to wipe out all the fish until just ONE remains :f_biggrin:

I would like to talk about Yours
2) EV Line Error When Someone Busts Out
So U are saying that U didnt play in those tourneys, but U forgot that Yours ev can change than someone busts out ( it doesnt matter that U didnt play that hand ). Lets do example:
Lets say its 6max Hypers (7$ tourney) and we are on the bubble:
Seat 1 : 2000 ( in money its 21.20$)
Seat 2 : 500 ( 9.53$)
Hero: 500 (9.53$)

So seat 2 is allinn v seat 1 and lets say seat 1 has 80% to win. So what happens?

if seat 1 wins ours Ev is 16.10$ if seat 2 wins ours Ev is 7.88$. So ours real EV is 0.2*16.10 +7.88*0.8= 9.55$ , so if seat 1 wins we will run 6.55$ above ours ev and thats why I think Yours Ev line is below the real winnings in this example.

Wow, your rigged arguments are just really really lame. Can you not think of any more entertaining ones. Did you ever think your just not very good @ poker?

@janushr

Poker is rigged and heres the proof..

IPoker, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BB: $3.33 (66.6 bb)
Hero (UTG): $13.40 (268 bb)
MP: $7.33 (146.6 bb)
CO: $2.57 (51.4 bb)
BTN: $1.07 (21.4 bb)
SB: $5.54 (110.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A K
Hero raises to $0.20, 2 folds, BTN raises to $1.07 and is all-in, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.87

Flop: ($2.21) 8 4 A (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: ($2.21) Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($2.21) 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results:

Wait wut?

The thing is that you only remember the badbeats not the once you easily win against idiots like the villain in here. As its just standard win nothing special. Rigged or not there are peopl who make money on this and people who don't and then the pokerrooms who make money regardless.

ipeaceu,you talking about me??so,you are suggesting that i am a retard and that i suck at poker,obv you are so good then???if you are so good,lets play some HU SNG(minimum fee),winner first to 3,have fun and you can show how good you are and how easy is to crush some retard :f_cool:???

xxinspectorxx,i didnt say poker is RIGGED,i just said that with such amounts of money in play,that there should be higher standards and checks for poker rooms,cause all players deserve it,poker room doesnt GAIN eiether way whom wins,so WHY we then shouldnt have some controls and tests,so that everybody can be safe and know all is correct???i dont see anything wrong with it...do you???