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[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.23 Buy-in (150/300 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
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BB: 8,830 (29.4 bb)
MP1: 12,237 (40.8 bb)
MP2: 29,815 (99.4 bb)
MP3: 5,695 (19 bb)
CO: 10,213 (34 bb)
BTN: 2,216 (7.4 bb)
Hero (SB): 9,896 (33 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q♣ J♠
3 folds, CO calls 300, BTN folds, Hero completes, BB checks

Flop: (1,075) 5♦ J♥ 6♣ (3 players)
Hero bets 590, BB calls 590, CO folds

Turn: (2,255) 3♦ (2 players)
Hero bets 600, BB calls 600

River: (3,455) 9♦ (2 players)
Hero bets 600, BB raises to 1,800, Hero calls 1,200

Spoiler

Results: 7,055 pot
Final Board: 5♦ J♥ 6♣ 3♦ 9♦
BB showed 7♣ 4♣ and won 7,055 (3,740 net)
Hero mucked Q♣ J♠ and lost (-3,315 net)

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Is this a spot where i could raise preflop both player vp was around 30? Usually I would just call with QJ, but in SB it's possible to raise against a limper?

Also, i think my flop value bet was ok, or is 2/3 better there? and as played should have checked turn and folded to any action? I found it difficult because there was no flush draw and an inside straight draw wasn't likely?


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Tiltberger
Joined: 23.06.2005

Hey adam!

I ch/c flop! As played I ch/c turn and ch/f river!
The thing is ... your 600 bet is neither protection nor value... and on the river its again tough because villains sizing could be a bluff as well... the problem is your small betsizing which also induces a bluff sometimes...

Greets,
Tiltberger


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marcepoker17
Joined: 21.06.2011

Originally posted by Tiltberger
Hey adam!

I ch/c flop! As played I ch/c turn and ch/f river!
The thing is ... your 600 bet is neither protection nor value... and on the river its again tough because villains sizing could be a bluff as well... the problem is your small betsizing which also induces a bluff sometimes...

Greets,
Tiltberger

I agree to everything!
I have just a question: if check/call flop, what you do on the turn? check/call depending on the bet size? and then check/fold river?

Regards

Marce


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Tiltberger
Joined: 23.06.2005

yeah often ch/f because villains on lowlimits don't tend to 2nd barrel so much, especially on dryboards :) but depends on card/betsizing/etc.


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thanks tiltberger, sorry I've posted this hand twice! On the turn in this hand if i check what kind of bet size should i fold to?and if i do what kind of hand would i be putting him on?


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marcepoker17
Joined: 21.06.2011

Originally posted by adamrothwell
thanks tiltberger, sorry I've posted this hand twice! On the turn in this hand if i check what kind of bet size should i fold to?and if i do what kind of hand would i be putting him on?

On the turn I would fold to a bet of more then 1/3, and I think his range from BB check pre-flop is just atc, so on the turn any two pairs are possible, 42 and 74 are possible to and sometimes KJ QJ, any set of 3s 5s 6s, could be on a straight draw(78), or on a flush draw that had a pair on the flop(Jxs 6xs). I guess here you beat(if they wont improve on river) only worse Js, that probably would check on the turn, 78, and a flash draw with a pair.

Regards

Marce


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Tiltberger
Joined: 23.06.2005

I probably just fold if villain bets really big on the turn 50-70% potbets are imo a call... because villain can float us, he could bet with midpair, with air and also hands like j9s, j10 and so on!

Greets,
Tiltberger


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