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Gonchan
Joined: 14.06.2011

Prima, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $99 (99 bb)
BB: $104.50 (104.5 bb)
MP: $112.23 (112.2 bb)
CO: $95 (95 bb)
Hero (BTN): $137.51 (137.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with J J
MP raises to $3, CO calls $3, Hero raises to $11, 2 folds, MP raises to $23, CO folds, Hero raises to $137.51 and is all-in, MP calls $89.23 and is all-in

Flop: ($228.96) 2 Q 9 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: ($228.96) 8 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($228.96) K (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results:

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$228.96 pot ($3.00 rake)
Final Board: 2 Q 9 8 K
MP showed A A and won $225.96 ($113.73 net)
Hero showed J J and won $0.00 (-$112.23 net)

28/24/209 ft3b33 4b 16.7

What should I do?


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

Hi.

Looks standard to me if you have an active image. Why don't you tell us your stats and general image? If you are tight then this may be overplay. If you are playing 25/20 with a 3b of 10%, i think this is a snap push.


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Gonchan
Joined: 14.06.2011

my stats was 20/18 and 3bet 3.75(wow, it seems too low)


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

Ok I think you have big issues with your preflop strategy. You are playing way too tight and probably not bluffing enough.

You might want to revisit your preflop strategy. Maybe watch some of the bootcamp videos and seminars from pleno1. I think they did some stuff about preflop range construction.

If you want more help from me here, you can start by posting some opening ranges from each of the positions, as well as positional 3bet %.


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Gonchan
Joined: 14.06.2011

I now seeing seminar video and hand range.

Unfortunately, my status is now platinum so I re-read hand range and adjustment.


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Scoob101
Joined: 11.10.2006

In before, sy for hijacking, but mbml made this excellent offer ^^

Hey mbml, could you please check my stats?

Hands are played on Zoom nl100 6max.
( I have no clue why BB vs steal Fold and call are both 71%)


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Gonchan
Joined: 14.06.2011

it is my stats. I am surprised how much low my open SB and 3b..
I thought I was following bootcamp hand range lol


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

Ok I'll post someone's stats here. He's a very strong TAG who completely crushes NL500 Zoom and he plays up to 5k, and makes like 500k-1mil a year. You can copy his stats for reference.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/174/poker-goals-challenges/destroying-500nl-zoom-minichallenge-1245943/

This is his blog on 2p2.

Anyway my point is that you don't need to be the biggest LAG to make the most money. I think these days all the TAGs are the one making the most. LAGs tend to have higher winrates at lower stakes though, because they can get away with relentless aggression and people don't re-adjust sufficiently.

Resteal in SB = 13%, Resteal in BB = 13%, call in BB vs steal = 35%, call in SB vs steal = 4%


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

I think UTG and MP opening range are a little too far apart. MP open of 19% may be too loose in some lineups but not a big deal. At NL100 i think you can get away with it.

Your MP 3bet is close to 0% which is fine, you can just flat all your monsters here and be balanced. You can consider just mixing in some 3bet bluffs so that your 3 bet % here is 2-3%. Even if your range is air only, I think that people will still give you credit for having a monster if your range is super tight. But flatting everything is fine, 3betting pure air here would be more of an exploitive play.

I think your 3bet % from the blinds should be higher by 2-3 %. You should be restealing a bit more, maybe your BU 3bet can be increased by 1-2% as well.


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

your stats look pretty weird to me.

MP range should be 2-3% higher than UTG range, CO's range should be around half of BU's opening range.

I think it's really weird that you open 30% in CO and 40% in BU. You should tighten up in CO and widen your range in BU.

3betting - Should be 3-4% in CO, 6-7% in BU, 9-10% in SB, 6-8% in BB.

Think about the numbers, and try to construct a value/bluff range to match those numbers.


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Scoob101
Joined: 11.10.2006

I think my BTN 3bet seems a bit low because i flat my Monsters against regs from EP/MP a lot, if there is no specific Dynamik. Btn vs co is 16% and btn vs mp about11%. Thx for taking your time to analyze my stats.


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

Well I think you can get away with more bluffs, especially vs people with high fold to 3bets. It's not a big deal though. But I think it's important to resteal slightly more.


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Gonchan
Joined: 14.06.2011

Thank you very much your analysis!

My BTN open is weird because I am simulating bootcamp's CO range but there was no explanation about BTN..

About between UTG and MP, is there no huge problem?

I'll comsume these thing one by one :f_biggrin:


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

I would suggest that you try to follow a style somewhat similar to the one I posted. 30% is pretty loose, personally I open about 30-35% of hands but I have been trying to reduce my opening range to 28% these days.

About BU, I think 50-70% is fine, 40% is way too tight.


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Gonchan
Joined: 14.06.2011

I'm trying to construct range like your post guy.

However, I'm struggling to make BB call vs steal range.

When I resteal 13% range, should I simply add another 30% hand?
If so, I'll resist 43 % hand on BB. Isn't it weird?


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ciachooooo
Joined: 02.01.2010

Originally posted by mbml
Ok I'll post someone's stats here. He's a very strong TAG who completely crushes NL500 Zoom and he plays up to 5k, and makes like 500k-1mil a year. You can copy his stats for reference.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/174/poker-goals-challenges/destroying-500nl-zoom-minichallenge-1245943/

This is his blog on 2p2.

Anyway my point is that you don't need to be the biggest LAG to make the most money. I think these days all the TAGs are the one making the most. LAGs tend to have higher winrates at lower stakes though, because they can get away with relentless aggression and people don't re-adjust sufficiently.

Resteal in SB = 13%, Resteal in BB = 13%, call in BB vs steal = 35%, call in SB vs steal = 4%

that is so surprising to me... his sqz is 3,4 (!), call open+3b otb is just 12%, so he doesn't defend bu wide

could you please copy big popup about him? i'm curious what are his co/bu/sb steals, cb/fold to cb by street, x/r, afq and so on


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

I'm not sure about the squeeze, I think it may be a sample size issue. I think it should be around 5%, I used to have a larger sample on him but i lost it.

CO BU SB steals are something like 25/56/40
F/T/R cbet is something like 70/48/48

i can't rmb the rest


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cutegoldfish
Joined: 19.11.2009

how much does he fold to CB? and raise CB? and his WTS?.

how often does he fold to 3bets on button cutoff? how often does he call and 4bet on BU CO?

how often does he check raise when he cold calls in the BB? or does he usually fold after cold calling in the BB?

what is the range of hands hes cold calling in the BB and what is he 3betting with in BB?


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

you shouldn't try to copy the other stats, this was mostly for preflop strategy referencing


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cutegoldfish
Joined: 19.11.2009

maybe you can share more on his BB strategy? he seems to be calling really wide. i dont think hes just calling and folding, but yet i dont think hes pulling too many moves like a check/raise on every flop.


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