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** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ** (Poker Stars)
$2.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, May 03, 06:38:45 ET 2013
Table Himalia II (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: Hero ( $2.02 USD ) - VPIP: 24, PFR: 18, 3B: 10, AF: 3.1, Hands: 618
Seat 2: Player2 ( $2.51 USD ) - VPIP: 25, PFR: 7, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 28
Seat 3: Player3 ( $1.72 USD ) - VPIP: 32, PFR: 6, 3B: 4, AF: 2.0, Hands: 79
Seat 4: Player4 ( $1.60 USD ) - VPIP: 81, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 16
Seat 5: Player5 ( $2.03 USD ) - VPIP: 18, PFR: 18, 3B: 6, AF: 0.0, Hands: 55
Seat 6: Player6 ( $1.94 USD ) - VPIP: 12, PFR: 1, 3B: 0, AF: 1.3, Hands: 139
Seat 7: Player7 ( $1.99 USD ) - VPIP: 12, PFR: 7, 3B: 4, AF: 4.0, Hands: 68
Seat 8: Player8 ( $2.75 USD ) - VPIP: 12, PFR: 11, 3B: 12, AF: 5.5, Hands: 100
Seat 9: Player9 ( $2.00 USD ) - VPIP: 20, PFR: 20, 3B: 14, AF: 2.0, Hands: 51
Player7 posts small blind [$0.01 USD].
Player8 posts big blind [$0.02 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Kh Kd ]
Player9 folds
Hero raises [$0.08 USD]
Player2 folds
Player3 calls [$0.08 USD]
Player4 calls [$0.06 USD]
Player5 folds
Player6 folds
Player7 folds
Player8 folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8h, 7h, 4h ]
Hero bets [$0.18 USD]
Player3 calls [$0.18 USD]
Player4 folds
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ac ]
Hero checks
Player3 bets [$0.36 USD]
Hero calls [$0.36 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ Jc ]
Hero checks
Player3 bets [$1.10 USD]
Hero folds
Player3 wins $1.10 USD
Player3 wins $1.30 USD from main pot

Was just such a tricky board... not sure if I should have bet the turn or not, or called the bet after checking with my draw and second best pair.


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acetbfish
Joined: 11.03.2011

Poker Stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) - Poker Stars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Hero (UTG+1) ($2.02)
MP1 ($2.51)
MP2 ($1.72)
MP3 ($1.60)
CO ($2.03)
Button ($1.94)
SB ($1.99)
BB ($2.75)
UTG ($2)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K, K
1 fold, Hero bets $0.08, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.08, MP3 calls $0.06, 4 folds

Flop: ($0.25) 8, 7, 4 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.18, MP2 calls $0.18, 1 fold

Turn: ($0.61) A (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $0.36, Hero calls $0.36

River: ($1.33) J (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $1.10 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $1.33

Results below:

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MP2 didn't show

That's a bit better format ;)


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Pokerfeisas1990
Joined: 20.03.2011

plenty of times it will be missed draws, ace i do not see here with all in, also straight possible..


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You can bet turn here for value vs all his draws.

As played would just check fold, a lot of stuff has got there/made 2p


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lnternet
Joined: 19.06.2012

Try posting this hand and similars in the correct hand evaluation forum, not in Advanced NL forum.

Do you have any reads on who the fish are? Are the two preflop callers both regulars?

Against two regulars I would bet smaller on the flop. They both have nutflushes, flushes and sets, your hand is not strong enough to bet big there.

Against a fish in the hand the flop bet is good.

Turn is usually check fold or bet. Check call is usually not good because your opponent will check behind hands you beat but would call a bet with and only bet stronger hands a few bluffs, putting you into a bad check call situation, where either betting or checkfold is better.

When you check turn and he bets a bit over half pot, call is fine though.

River fold is good.

Overall hand is fine.


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DaPhunk
Joined: 01.03.2008

Originally posted by lnternet
When you check turn and he bets a bit over half pot, call is fine though.

This comment really interested me. Why does the bet-sizing make the call better? It must be something to do with how it changes his range has changed rather than the change in our required success frequency right? He is more likely to be betting thin with a worse 2nd pair for value, protection and/or free showdown?

edit: I find the numbers being so small distracts me a little bit so I edited the turn to make it seem more worth the point-

Turn: ($61) A (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $36, Hero calls $36


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Originally posted by acetbfish
Poker Stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) - Poker Stars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Hero (UTG+1) ($2.02)
MP1 ($2.51)
MP2 ($1.72)
MP3 ($1.60)
CO ($2.03)
Button ($1.94)
SB ($1.99)
BB ($2.75)
UTG ($2)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K, K
1 fold, Hero bets $0.08, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.08, MP3 calls $0.06, 4 folds

Flop: ($0.25) 8, 7, 4 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.18, MP2 calls $0.18, 1 fold

Turn: ($0.61) A (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $0.36, Hero calls $0.36

River: ($1.33) J (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $1.10 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $1.33

Results below:

Spoiler

MP2 didn't show

That's a bit better format ;)

Second barrel is the best option on the turn I think. Villain could have lots of draws that floats your flop cbet, or he could also have a made hand that he is not willing to fold yet like JJ-99 with heart blockers. Turn A non-heart is a good scare card for you since UTG range has strong Ax, and you could have A :heart: yourself. If villain continues by calling, I think river is a check-fold, or check-call if we improve to flush. If he 3bets big on the turn, we are done with the hand.


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UPAY4DINNER
Joined: 28.09.2009

Moved to the appropriate board.


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DaPhunk
Joined: 01.03.2008

Originally posted by HollyMichelle
Moved to the appropriate board.

nooOOOOoooaAAAaaaooooOoo! Now I'll never get a reply from Internet on my point :(

.... or is it Intemet? ..... or lnternet? Or perhaps all 3 like he's got some sort of poker god thing going on.... Guess I'll never know!


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