Strange play from a good regular

You have 9 bigs, He has K high and you have him covered thats whats he's thinking and to be fair its not the worst spot for him to try and double up. Dont think this play is bad at all.

Originally posted by marcepoker17
but even if he is giving me a 70% how can he calls?

Correction

Actually if he's giving me a 70% his call is right, but 70% means I push q3o+ j5o+ 43s+ and as I said before he should know that's not my style and anyway he has 23BB so how can he think it a +EV call?

Originally posted by rossd152
You have 9 bigs, He has K high and you have him covered thats whats he's thinking and to be fair its not the worst spot for him to try and double up. Dont think this play is bad at all.

Hey ross,

first, thank you for your reply,

second, being a good regular his "thinking", as you call it, should be given by a push call range and imo k2o is not in this range.

It's true that he has me covered but he doesn't double up with this, he can add 11bb and loose 8, having a 30/35% is not good imo.

I don't think it's a bad play if the play is been made for a reason that makes the play +EV, as a regular good player should be playing with this goal, imo.

hey guys,

reg needs ~ 42% for a profitable call , if i did not get the numbers wrong. And he certainly has that vs a sb 9bbs shove.

www.pokerstrategy.com
Equity Win Tie
MP2 44.64% 41.80% 2.84% { K2o }
MP3 55.36% 52.52% 2.84% { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J2s+, T2s+, 94s+, 84s+, 74s+, 64s+, 54s, A2o+, K2o+, Q4o+, J6o+, T7o+, 97o+, 86o+, 76o }

Originally posted by gusma
hey guys,

reg needs ~ 42% for a profitable call , if i did not get the numbers wrong. And he certainly has that vs a sb 9bbs shove.

www.pokerstrategy.com
Equity Win Tie
MP2 44.64% 41.80% 2.84% { K2o }
MP3 55.36% 52.52% 2.84% { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J2s+, T2s+, 94s+, 84s+, 74s+, 64s+, 54s, A2o+, K2o+, Q4o+, J6o+, T7o+, 97o+, 86o+, 76o }

Hi Gusma,

Thank you very much for your reply!

Do you think thats standard even if the reg knows the range of sb push is 35% (22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T8s+, 98s, A2o+, K8o+, QTo+, JTo)?
In that case shouldn't adjust to it?
And in your opinion shouldn't he adjust as well on the collapse structure(big stack final table 24BB)?

I agree he needs a 41% equity, but I tought he would have known that my range there is much tighter, especially vs the chipleader. So he would never be more then 30/35% in that spot vs me, in this case would be the wrong call I guess..!

Thank you again for your reply!!!

The point here is that you are the short stack , and at this point its expected that in a situation like this you shove at least 65% of your range and not 35%.So that makes the call +ev.

btw , if you are not shoving a wide range as 65%+ here you should work on your shoving range and turbo games.

Originally posted by gusma
The point here is that you are the short stack , and at this point its expected that in a situation like this you shove at least 65% of your range and not 35%.So that makes the call +ev.

btw , if you are not shoving a wide range as 65%+ here you should work on your shoving range and turbo games.

Hi Gusma,

I understand your point, and my range there is 65%, but my point was that he's 23bb and he's the chipleader, average is 12,5bb, there is no much point for him to call with worse the 35%(33+, A2s+, K3s+, Q5s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 87s, A3o+, K8o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o) imo, he's risking almost half stack plus he knows my range is not 100% but 65%:

I know and agree that in a normal, or even a turbo, tounament with normal structure the chipleader with 120bb calls (down to 30/35bb), as he should, with k2, but I think in different situations, where you have less then 30bb, in a final table where pay is top 3 heavy, the flat on bb with k2o vs a tight player where the equity is gonna be at best 35/65 is not a +ev move.

Please tell me if you think I'm off with my thinking process.
Thank you for the reply

The main point here is exactly that its a turbo tournament , so you should take every little +ev situation you can get , especially if its a higher BI , with tough field.

I understand your point , the call is +ev but might not be optimal. I do not know about that because I do not know the dynamic of the table at the time. But what I can tell you is , if it was a tough game with tough players I would problly be making this call 90% of the time.

Originally posted by gusma
The main point here is exactly that its a turbo tournament , so you should take every little +ev situation you can get , especially if its a higher BI , with tough field.

I understand your point , the call is +ev but might not be optimal. I do not know about that because I do not know the dynamic of the table at the time. But what I can tell you is , if it was a tough game with tough players I would problly be making this call 90% of the time.

Ok, so it's standard and he just didn't adjust, it's not strange as I thought!

I knew it wasn't a bad play, I just didn't expect that a good reg that knows me and played thousands of hands against me wouldn't adjust to it and I was hoping somebody could explain his thinking process.

Thank you very much for the explanation.

I agree with gusma. The play is quite standard against a regular. Sure, he could have adapted to your playstyle. On the other hand most regulars play multiple tables and won't adapt as much as you might think. Therefore he might have called against the standard SB range, where he would have been perfectly fine.

Regards,
Asaban

Originally posted by Asaban
I agree with gusma. The play is quite standard against a regular. Sure, he could have adapted to your playstyle. On the other hand most regulars play multiple tables and won't adapt as much as you might think. Therefore he might have called against the standard SB range, where he would have been perfectly fine.

Regards,
Asaban

Hey Asaban,

That's what I thought as well, I found it a bit strange bc we where playing at the same table for a while before in the tournament.

I multytable as well but I always check for regulars.. This doesn't mean he has too..

Anyway there are other reasons as well for him not to notice it in that hand so I guess it's ok.

Thank you for ur reply

Regards