Hold em no limit cash games, is it worth it?

darkpenance0 · 2013-05-15T22:48:10Z

I have a bit of a chip on my shoulder at the moment in regards to online no limit texas hold em cash games, I just can't see any way to make money. When I started playing poker online back in 2007 as a Student I placed $25 into a poker site and through study and trial and error I found myself consistently beating the tables and moved up stakes from 0.01/0.02 to 0.25/0.50 so by 2009 I was making $600 a month playing short handed cash games. After I left Uni I became a recreational player not really having the time or desire to play for 5 hours a day. Well I recently started playing seriously again but there seems to be a massive improvement on the average skill of players, I started out at 0.10/0.25 and made a loss after 10,000 hands so I moved down stakes to 0.5/0.10 where after 5,000 hands I'm just about breaking even (I'm up $8). Has the world just become so apt on Poker Theory that the fish and lunatic players just dont exist anymore? Sure I see them every now and then but back in the day you could sit at a table and expect to find 50% bad players to take advantage of, now your lucky if you find 1 and they generally dont stick around to long. I made my money by playing super loose aggressive from late positions and super tight oop making good money when my super loose range in position caught 2 pair/flush/str8/trips and I'd get paid off with premiums. I could even float a 3better and take down pots when they tried to stand up to my raises with hands as low as Q8 off. Now though it seems like 70% of players are NITs which means they just sit and fold until they get a big hand then depending on the player flat call to trap or 3bet you. They dont do it that often so its not like you can take the risk of 4 betting them without a real hand so you have to fold or make a frustration call/raise and lose lots of money. Seems like the only way to make money is by hitting the nuts when someone has the second nuts. With a wide range you take alot of blinds but its not worth it for the times you get trapped or 3bet and have to fold or make a futile bluff. Alright so I figure if I cant beat em join em, but it gets even worse playing super tight, you end up just taking the blinds with AA and KK and taking down the occasional pre flop pot with a 3bet. Its rare you ever see a flop and when you do its inevitably with hands like AQ and AJ which just suck to play when your cbet on a flop 869 gets a caller. The only big pots Ive won playing NIT is AA vs KK and KK vs QQ or a set vs an overpair, it just doesnt happen often enough to make it worthwhile. I just really don't see how anyone can make money playing online cash games, the best it seems you can hope for is to break even and make money off a bonus. If I'm wrong tell me but I dont wanna hear all that talk of 'in the long run you'll make money if your good enough' and 10,000 hands isnt a big enough sample'. I mean come on, are you really saying that you have to play thousands and thousands of hands to turn a profit? It just isnt worth the effort. Sit and Go's are just as bad, everyone seems to have learned how to play them to a decent level now so again the best you can do is break even. MTT's are the only source of decent income it seems to me but you need a lot of luck to make deep runs and get on the final table. So I suppose I'm just wondering if Online no limit Texas Hold Em has become the victim of its own success? I really fail to see how it can be profitable anymore.

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16.05.2013, 13:36 0

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darkpenance0

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16.05.2013, 15:07 0

Live Poker is fun but I dont get massive enjoyment from online poker. Am I alone in that?

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16.05.2013, 15:18 0

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16.05.2013, 20:22 0

Originally posted by darkpenance0
Live Poker is fun but I dont get massive enjoyment from online poker. Am I alone in that?

I was like that at first, now I enjoy online more.

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yougotfelted51

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16.05.2013, 20:36 0

live poker is so boring in comparison to online. 30 hands an hr at the casino,
1,000 hands an hour playing Zoom.

also, if you really do want to improve, online is the best for that. more hands an hour puts you in more spots and allows more opportunities to learn and improve

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16.05.2013, 21:06 0

Originally posted by darkpenance0
Live Poker is fun but I dont get massive enjoyment from online poker. Am I alone in that?

If you don't enjoy it then don't play man. Do something else that you will enjoy with that time!

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16.05.2013, 21:15 0

I also don't really enjoy it as a hobby. But I also don't enjoy anything that could earn me a living. That's why I'm trying to push myself to learn the game. And I don't even need to reach that high stakes. Winning 4bb/100 at NL25, would be enough for me.

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18.05.2013, 10:33 0

Strategy is so easily found online it really doesnt take much effort now to learn good poker.

Stratgegy is easily found, but it does not mean its easy to learn you have to put lot of effort and then of course you have good advandage.

Take a look at plenos coahcings when he plays zoom - how he crushes even those nits who fold a lot but making bluffrasies in the right spots.

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18.05.2013, 10:55 0

Originally posted by darkpenance0
Alright so what is a good return from 10,000 hands playing 0.5/0.10? If from 5000 I'm + $8 then the projection would be +$16. What should I be looking to have?

Also I do wonder if William Hill is just a tougher poker site, I was attracted because of the bonus. Maybe there are softer games?

Play on Unibet loads of fish on this site, i run 8BB/100 over a 40k sample its not a huge sample but it indicates that the games are fairly soft :). The only thing you need on this site is tilt control if the random 8 :heart: 2 :club: cracks your AA in a 3bet pot

You also get 30% rakeback and that is a huge plus on microstakes imo

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18.05.2013, 11:01 0

Originally posted by DonkeyDirk

Originally posted by darkpenance0
Alright so what is a good return from 10,000 hands playing 0.5/0.10? If from 5000 I'm + $8 then the projection would be +$16. What should I be looking to have?

Also I do wonder if William Hill is just a tougher poker site, I was attracted because of the bonus. Maybe there are softer games?

Play on Unibet loads of fish on this site, i run 8BB/100 over a 40k sample)

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18.05.2013, 12:00 0

Originally posted by NightFrostaSS

Originally posted by DonkeyDirk

Originally posted by darkpenance0
Alright so what is a good return from 10,000 hands playing 0.5/0.10? If from 5000 I'm + $8 then the projection would be +$16. What should I be looking to have?

Also I do wonder if William Hill is just a tougher poker site, I was attracted because of the bonus. Maybe there are softer games?

Play on Unibet loads of fish on this site, i run 8BB/100 over a 40k sample)

Not for long after this post

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conall88

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19.05.2013, 03:49 0

This post's responses is totally just trollception

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