NL10SH KK awkward sizing spot vs squeeze

I think when you guys are in a 4-way (?) game this should be 4-bet jam for sure. After 4-betting min or so you would anyways have small effective stacks, so I'd rather just jam it here as you are way ahead of his range and he can still call.

hi daphunk!

Q1: postiives => we underrep our hand, villian will cbet flop with a high percentage so we get more value from his bluffs, villian gives us value when he flops something worse

negatives => villian get to see a flop which he may catch up or pick up more equity example KJs that pick up a flushdraw on the flop.
board might come bad for hands that would pay us off pre but not post. example Qhigh flop when villian holds JJ.

Q2, i would still prefer to 4bet small, $3.30 seems about right, we give ourselves room to bluff and we give him room to bluff shove too since it might be an attractive option to him given all the dead $ on the table

cheers!

Thanks Supeyrio! I notice you didn't mention the other players in the pot like CPallo did. So here is a question about facing a squeeze:

Question: (assume 100-125bb stacks if it makes it simpler)

Imagine in this COvsBB 3bet scenario I normally 4bet/Jam JJ, AKo and most combos of KK and AA. I 4bet/fold KJo QJo ATo, and call 77-TT, QQ all suited broadways KQo AQo and AJo.

How should I adapt my calling/4betting range when I am being squeezed and how differently should we weight the other players involvement in the hand depending on whether he is BU or SB?

Thanks very much!

heyyo!
when we get squeeze, more dead $ is on the table. calling a 3bet we will guarantee to be in a HU spot but pot might go multiway if we call a squeeze.
so in general, in a squeeze pot, i i'm less inclined to call especially when i know i'm not going to be IP against all players.
if i think i want to continue with my hand, i would 4b alot more for value and bluffs. i would flat hands that would play well in multi way pots like suited broad ways e.g. KQs, AJs, and even wider when im IP on all players.

but do note that in general people squeeze a stronger range and are less inclined to squeeze crap like J5s unlike a 3bet where they are more inclined to do that.

when we get 3bet, i would definitely flat a wider range because it's always a HU pot so we aren't too afraid of overcalls.
i would occassionally slow play some monsters like KK or AA just to keep opponent's 3betting frequency in check.

hope this helps cheers!

heyyo!
when we get squeeze, more dead $ is on the table. calling a 3bet we will guarantee to be in a HU spot but pot might go multiway if we call a squeeze.
so in general, in a squeeze pot, i i'm less inclined to call especially when i know i'm not going to be IP against all players.
if i think i want to continue with my hand, i would 4b alot more for value and bluffs. i would flat hands that would play well in multi way pots like suited broad ways e.g. KQs, AJs, and even wider when im IP on all players.

but do note that in general people squeeze a stronger range and are less inclined to squeeze crap like J5s unlike a 3bet where they are more inclined to do that.

when we get 3bet, i would definitely flat a wider range because it's always a HU pot so we aren't too afraid of overcalls.
i would occassionally slow play some monsters like KK or AA just to keep opponent's 3betting frequency in check.

hope this helps cheers!

Thanks! I currently have a system where I quite simply stop myself auto-4betting with monsters if one of my hole-cards is red so I can think a bit more deeply about the spot. This is one where I think I can go either way, but since I like your answers so much, this leads me to another question:

I think that, at a certain point, if the BU (or SB actually) is a big enough fish who we want to come along for the ride, but is not guaranteed to be calling another re-raise especially, I believe 4betting can become a serious mistake. If you were to try and gauge a 'line in the sand' for a BU/SB opponent profile beyond which 4betting would be considered a mistake, which stats or reads would you be looking at and what might they be?

To try and put it a little more simply, I'm basically trying to ask at what point between our beloved 60/35 recreational player who spews postflop, and the ok 28/25 Reg would our decision become close between 4betting and calling.

i definitely do like calling when you do have a monster fish at the back who is inclined to fold when u 4bet. when we call and fish overcalls, pot size becomes $5+ and our stacks will become about $8+, with a SPR of about 1.6, the fish can hardly fold anything if he hit or has a draw.

also we have position on the reg, he's not going to blindly cbet into two people when SPR is so low, and we cannot get away from our hand from almost any flop except when it's A high.

lastly, if a reg is competent, he should be squeezing the fish at a wider range, hence just trapping with monsters is a decent plan since he's gonna fold alot if you 4bet anyway and we would definitely love to play a big pot with a strong hand vs a weak range!

hope this helps! cheers

Many thanks for answering all my questions! Most appreciated.

cheerios!
good luck sir!