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NL2 AK call 3bet shove on the flop against unknown?

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hvard92
Joined: 15.02.2012

Party, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $2 (100 bb)
Hero (BB): $2 (100 bb)
CO: $2.68 (134 bb)
UTG: $0.56 (28 bb)
BTN: $1.82 (91 bb)
MP: $3.02 (151 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A K
UTG folds, MP calls $0.02, CO folds, BTN calls $0.02, SB folds, Hero raises to $0.12, MP calls $0.10, BTN folds

Flop: ($0.27) 3 K 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.19, MP raises to $2.90 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.69 and is all-in

Turn: ($4.03) 9 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($4.03) 7 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Comment:

Maybe i should have folded, waited for another spot and get to know how he was playing first?


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Hi hvard92

Preflop: looks fine

Postflop: what do you know about MP? He is repping a narrow range of 33/55 and maybe K3/K5 but if he is fishy we can expect him to do this with some random stuff and maybe worse Kx so TPTK is closer to a call. If we had let's say KT it would be an easier fold.


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hvard92
Joined: 15.02.2012

I didn't know anything about him at all, that's the problem. He had a VPIP of 66 on 3 hands and that's it. I can't really assume that he is loose becuase of that right? So what do i do here if i don't know anything at all? If i came in the same situation again i would have folded i think and get to know him better before making huge decisions on very little information.


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smice12
Joined: 24.01.2013

I don't think there is really right or wrong answer.. At micros, i have faced that kind of spots when villain had pure air, some weak K, lower pockets, sets, wheels, etc. There can be almost anything. So, if u like gamble, call. If u like safe play, fold and gather more information.


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HuhtalaJ
Joined: 19.04.2010

We do know at least something about the villain: he's a fish. How do we know this? He's the one who limped first into the pot.

I'd say KT and KJ would be easy folds, AK is a bit trickier. We're crushed against sets but have some outs against 2 pairs. We crush worse top pairs. As the pot was still so small and the rake is huge in NL2, we would need really good odds to call this. I think I would fold because of this (villain would need to shove a lot worse kings or even pure bluffs for the call to be profitable). At a little higher stakes with smaller rake and bigger returns I would consider calling more, though it would still be close.

I can't really say that a call would be so much worse either. At least you get to see villains hand when you call.


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CPallo
Joined: 12.04.2012

Hi Hvard92,

First of all, about terms: villain is 2-bet jamming on turn, a.k.a raising us there. If he'd raise smaller and we would raise again, then it would be 3-betting

But to the hand.. Line where someone limps and then makes a shove on such a board is just too often the nuts. Rarely they will play KQ/KJ like that, so, despite him representing narrow range, I would fold for the reasons HuhtalaJ mentioned here.


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I forgot to mention that since he limped in MP he can also have a slowplayed AA that he plays this way.

But either way I think it's a close spot given the hand, board and player.


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