Any point in running it more than once? If so in what situations? I shouldn't change anything expect for the rate at which you feel variance.
i.e if we get AA in vs KK whether we run it once or twice doesn't matter does it ? We should still be a 4:1 favourite unless we improve or our opponent improves on the 1st run, therefore changing the number of cards left in the deck to draw to, therefore changing our equities on subsequent runs.
As i understand EV is the same if you run it twice or not. Run it twice just reduces variance. And even if it reduces variance i doubt it reduces tilt 
Originally posted by Rihard4a
Run it once and don't give up your edge vs weaker players. <c> ManuChanged my perspective.
Depends on how comfortable you are with tilt, and what tilts you. I personally have no problem in being badbeated. however if i run it twice and he beats me both times as an 10% favorite it might get me tilted a bit 
cheers I'm not too bother running it once. I have seemed to manage thus far okay.
Originally posted by Rihard4a
Run it once and don't give up your edge vs weaker players. <c> ManuI particularly like this mindset. PS Rihard4a - I don't always play 4b pots, but when I do they're against you and I play them badly ;P
Originally posted by NightFrostaSS
RIT doesn't give up edge tho
You do give up some edge when you RIT. 
Originally posted by Rihard4a
Originally posted by NightFrostaSS
RIT doesn't give up edge thoYou do give up some edge when you RIT.
I can't see how reducing variance can reduce your edge.
Originally posted by booomm
Originally posted by Rihard4a
Originally posted by NightFrostaSS
RIT doesn't give up edge thoYou do give up some edge when you RIT.
I can't see how reducing variance can reduce your edge.
Stating that you use it for purpose of reducing variance is just a weak players excuse. How can you reduce something that is random?
Originally posted by Rihard4a
Originally posted by booomm
Originally posted by Rihard4a
Originally posted by NightFrostaSS
RIT doesn't give up edge thoYou do give up some edge when you RIT.
I can't see how reducing variance can reduce your edge.
Stating that you use it for purpose of reducing variance is just a weak players excuse. How can you reduce something that is random?
I don't think you understand what 'variance' means, variance is how far a given result deviates from the average. I'll give you an extreme exemple to explain. Now let's assume you are playing HU and go allin on the flop and you have 4 outs, and you decide to run the whole deck, 44 cards left, for the sake of simplicity we assume we won't burn any cards, so 22 turn and rivers left, and since we are running the whole deck, you will hit your 4 outs no matter what and take a percentage of the pot, wich is the same as the equity you had on the flop. whereas, if you run it once and you hit one of your 4 outs and suck out on the poor guy, you take the whole pot, wich would result on much higher swings.
I hope that it is clear now that stating "RIT reduces your edge" is just an ignorance of basic math.
The only purpose to run it more than once is to reduce short term swings. Why does short term matter? Think of it as part of the big picture.
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Originally posted by booomm
stating "RIT reduces your edge" is just an ignorance of basic math.
You need to know your edge is not one mathematical thing only, it's a combination of several factors, most of which are hard to represent mathematically.
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I could see how RIO would be superior if you played regular table and knew someone is prone to tilt after losing a stack. But I do think you underestimate other regs by thinking they can't handle swings well. And if someone is prone to tilt after getting sucked out once, then getting sucked out twice in same pot should tilt him even more. In which case it roughly evens out imo.
Now in zoom I can't see how RIO could do anything good for you. If you suck out on someone the large player pool combined with hand distribution makes it very very unlikely that you could possibly take advantage of someone steaming.
If someone knows that you RIT they may get in lighter if they are somewhat scared money and make emotional decisions which is likely a good thing too.
Overall I don't think it's as clear cut if you gain something or not edge wise from RIO or RIT. And even in high stakes regulars do disagree regarding this matter.
But since it's a fact RIT reduces swings and only a guess that RIO gives you more edge I choose to go with facts .
Reducing short term swings isn't unprofessional when something nearing long term is 500k+ hands. And claiming it's just weak players excuse is just lol.
Most of the post addressed to Rihard4a btw. W Manu let's agree to disagree. 
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Originally posted by EmanuelC16
Originally posted by booomm
stating "RIT reduces your edge" is just an ignorance of basic math.You need to know your edge is not one mathematical thing only, it's a combination of several factors, most of which are hard to represent mathematically.
yeah agree totally, when I said ignorance of basic math, I was talking about RIT and not skill edge.
Facts the you state are the so called delusions.
Okay do a mathematical calculation on flipping a coin, do you think that if you RIT on a coin flip, it will reduce the variance either hitting A or B? ♠_biggrin:
Originally posted by booomm
Originally posted by EmanuelC16
Originally posted by booomm
stating "RIT reduces your edge" is just an ignorance of basic math.You need to know your edge is not one mathematical thing only, it's a combination of several factors, most of which are hard to represent mathematically.
yeah agree totally, when I said ignorance of basic math, I was talking about RIT and not skill edge.
When you RIT you just reduce the advantage of your edge. You give someone 2 bullets to shoot you instead of one.
