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x3mwisp
Joined: 31.03.2009

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
SB ($139)
BB ($54.96)
UTG ($137)
UTG+1 ($174)
CO ($101)
Hero ($108)

Dealt to Hero Q♣ Q♥

UTG raises to $3, UTG+1 calls $3, fold, Hero raises to $12, fold, fold, UTG calls $9, UTG+1 calls $9

FLOP ($37.50) 5♠ 4♦ 2♠

UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $18, UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $162 (AI), Hero calls $78.08 (AI)

TURN ($229) 5♠ 4♦ 2♠ 9♥

RIVER ($229) 5♠ 4♦ 2♠ 9♥ 2♣

Hero shows Q♣ Q♥
(Pre 82%, Flop 10.8%, Turn 4.5%)

UTG+1 shows 2♦ 2♥
(Pre 18%, Flop 89.2%, Turn 95.5%)

UTG+1 wins $226

I know this is like standart-ish spot but i was wondering wether i could check/shove these spots vs 2 on low flops or is it better to just bet/call. Is bet/fold rly out of the question? I know depends on dynamic,etc but you don't rly get so many of these spots. both villains are regs. EP is tighter 17/12. MP 19/16 150 hands each so not too much history.

Just to equilate i need 34% in this exact spot and even given such range:

Equity Win Tie
MP2 32.32% 31.16% 1.15% QhQc
MP3 67.68% 66.53% 1.15% 55-22, AsQs, AsJs, AsTs, As6s, As4s, As3s
it's really slightly -ev.

PS - don't say betting slightly bigger flop is better cause then you will have better odds :) That's not how it works.


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w34z3l
Joined: 03.08.2009

Hey x3mwisp,

Preflop squeeze is ok, but it's always going to be borderline with QQ vs 2 EP guys. We can't really stack off profitably here. We can even consider reducing 3bet sizing to encourage calls from wider.

Flop cbet is fine. Seems like we should just be folding the flop here given your calculations. + villains range seems ambitious to me, not sure he'd ever check/jam stuff like 33.


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x3mwisp
Joined: 31.03.2009

I aggree but not preflop. I think preflop is a stackoff. Nor do i aggree with smaller squeeze.


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w34z3l
Joined: 03.08.2009

Originally posted by x3mwisp
I aggree but not preflop. I think preflop is a stackoff. Nor do i aggree with smaller squeeze.

Well ok, that's fine =)

GTO calcs seem to indicate this is not a profitable stack off vs EP. Empirical evidence suggests the same.


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x3mwisp
Joined: 31.03.2009

Ok thx. Seems like i have to think more about it.


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bisovic
Joined: 04.08.2011

Hey!

I don't know how we ever fold on this flop to a jam.
If MP is 19/16 he never flats preflop with small Axs and he rarely has 22,44,55 in his MP coldcall range.

Only 3 sets beat us and we beat TT,JJ,AsQs,AsJs,KsQs.


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x3mwisp
Joined: 31.03.2009

More opinions? This looks like a super-standart spot but no one knows for sure what to do.


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