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hvard92
Joined: 15.02.2012

Party, $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

CO: $4 (100 bb)
MP3: $8.26 (206.5 bb)
UTG+2: $0.97 (24.3 bb)
Hero (BTN): $4.88 (122 bb)
MP2: $3.66 (91.5 bb) Stats: 28/6/3,7/572
BB: $7.38 (184.5 bb)
SB: $4 (100 bb)
MP1: $4 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A K
2 folds, MP2 calls $0.04, MP3 raises to $0.18, CO folds, Hero raises to $0.52, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.48, MP3 folds

Flop: ($1.28) 2 3 2 (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $0.84, MP2 raises to $1.68, Hero raises to $4.36 and is all-in, MP2 calls $1.46 and is all-in

Turn: ($7.56) 3 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($7.56) J (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Comment:

I guess i shouldn't done a play like this at my skill level but i've seen better players done something similar. I estimated it in equilab and my equity wasn't that bad but i am not a favorite. So should i've just have bet/fold here?


Board: 3♦2♦2♠
       Equity     Win     Tie
MP2    54.70%  54.70%   0.00% { JJ-22 }
MP3    45.30%  45.30%   0.00% { AdKd }


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Hi hvard92

Preflop: I see the stats for Mp2 but what stats do we have on Mp3? Just curious who we 3-bet

Postflop: As played you have about $2.3 left to put into a pot of 7.56 (put in after you get raised). So really you only need ~30% equity (+ the rake). Thus getting it in is fine as you have NFD and two overs.


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hvard92
Joined: 15.02.2012

Preflop: I see the stats for Mp2 but what stats do we have on Mp3? Just curious who we 3-bet

yea shure. 24/8/1,4/255

I've noticed that alot of tight players fold to 3-bets very often so i iso3-bet (i don't know what the right lingoword is) because i wanted to have the fish for myself.

Postflop: As played you have about $2.3 left to put into a pot of 7.56 (put in after you get raised). So really you only need ~30% equity (+ the rake). Thus getting it in is fine as you have NFD and two overs.

This is a concept i'm unfamiliar with again. I understand the idea of it but I can't seem to get the numbers you wrote to make sense to me...Yet.


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Try to do the math yourself. That's usually the best way to work the numbers.

See how much money you have left to invest at the point of the raise and how big the pot will be. Then divide the first by the second and get your equity required.


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hvard92
Joined: 15.02.2012

Try to do the math yourself. That's usually the best way to work the numbers.

Yea that's what i did before i said it, but still i didn't get the numbers to fit with your statement. So here's what i don't get.

Postflop: As played you have about $2.3 left to put into a pot of 7.56 (put in after you get raised). So really you only need ~30% equity (+ the rake). Thus getting it in is fine as you have NFD and two overs.

$2.3? After i get raised i have $3.5 left in my stack

How do i find out the rake? How do you calculate the rake in the middle of a hand? Is rake that important?

Then divide the first by the second and get your equity required.

What do you mean? First and second what?


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Zukes
Joined: 13.08.2009

Originally posted by hvard92

$2.3? After i get raised i have $3.5 left in my stack

What do you mean? First and second what?

1. Villain's stack is smaller than ours, so we only have to put in his remaining stack plus the difference between his 2bet and our bet:

$1.46 (villain's remaining stack) + $1.68 (his raise) - $0.84 (our original bet)

= $2.3

2. So we have $2.3 left to invest (1) and the pot will be $7.56 when we are both all-in (2):

$2.3/$7.56

= 0.3042 = 30.42%

Therefore we need at least 30.42% equity. :)


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Thank you Zukes,

Do you see where you went wrong Hvard?

And the rake adds 2-4% to your required equity (generally speaking).


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hvard92
Joined: 15.02.2012

Do you see where you went wrong Hvard?

It's so typical of me that i'm taking long time to understand a single concept. Probably easy but yea, i see where i went wrong. Anyway, i still don't get the idea of why i have to subtract 0,84. Even tho it may aren't that important to understand, it's nice to know why anyway.

In HM2, the pot is $8,78 when both are all in, but is that because the rake is not taken away yet?

And the rake adds 2-4% to your required equity (generally speaking).

I need to have at least 30.42% equity to go all in in the hand. Do you mean that i should add 2-4% to that number so it would be 34.42% equity?=P


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0.84 is the money you already invested before you got raised. That money is gone and not part of the money you STILL need to invest.

And 2 to 4 % means that you add a % between 2 and 4 to your total equity needed. So if the rake is really high you add 4% to the 30%.,


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