NL4 against an agressive fish

Hi hvard92

Preflop: BvB I can see us 3-betting this for value preflop

Postflop: your read
Postflop:
* Cbet bluffs flop and turn with 6 high no draw>gives up river

is actually important here. What you failed to note is the bet sizes which are key in a spot like that. So when you make notes make sure to write down everything about the hand.

For example another thing missing are the positions, or effective stacks, etc.

As played I think that river is a fold. He played his hand like a potential draw/weak hand and most weak hands ck that river.

is actually important here. What you failed to note is the bet sizes which are key in a spot like that. So when you make notes make sure to write down everything about the hand.

Yea i'm not so good at making notes yet, nor to take advantage of them either.

Could you come up with a good example of how you use notes to your advantage?

What are effective stacks?

Effective stacks is the stacks that could be in play.

If I have 200 BB and you have 100 BB the effective stacks are 100 BB (this is where you made a mistake with the other hand).

A good example of good notes would be in the hand you just posted.

For example, if you would have taken a note that said he "Cbet bluffs 1/2 pot on flop and turn" then you at least know that he bluffs with those small amounts (or semibluffs).

The reason why i post this here is because i want a quicker answer so i can begin with putting this theory into practice now than waiting for a week:)

It says: HTML is not allowed. Is HTML the same as a link? If it is, i'm sorry and i won't do it again.

http://www.pokerstrategy.com/strategy/bss/1550/1/

Could you take a look at "EXAMPLE 12 - AGGRESSIVE PLAY"?

In this special situation, however, you should bet nonetheless. The main reason for this is that you are in position and all other players have to act before you

That's the only reason? What about the math behind this? They don't say anything about our opponent either. Doesn't it matter?

Additionally there are a lot of cards that can come on the turn or the river that will improve your hand. Even if someone calls, you will often hit a good card on a later street and be able to win with the best hand.

Often hit a good card? Is it so often that i would win in the long run? Could you explain a little deeper why this could be profitable?:)

Ideally you keep the beginner questions in the beginner section. That's why it's there. And I explained before, the reason I give you time there (more than here) is that you need to start giving it more time and understand a topic before you wait for a "spoon fed" answer. It will do you a lot more good long term this way (trust me :)).

But anyhow, since you posted this here and you want an answer on the spot rather than thinking more about it here's my answer:

They could have explained the reason a bit better but it's really that you have a good hand (equity) + position (fold equity) so you can bet.

And yes, the turn can bring many cards that we can continue on.

Ideally you keep the beginner questions in the beginner section. That's why it's there. And I explained before, the reason I give you time there (more than here) is that you need to start giving it more time and understand a topic before you wait for a "spoon fed" answer. It will do you a lot more good long term this way (trust me smile ).

I guess i just have to trust you then

I know i can ask questions without give it very much thought just to get a spoon fed answer. It's only because i thought it's better to get an instant understanding of a concept rather than wasting time scratching my head when instead i could have used that time to putting what i've just learned into practice.

If you don't mind, could you tell me why not getting spoon fed will do me more good long term x)?

They could have explained the reason a bit better but it's really that you have a good hand (equity) + position (fold equity) so you can bet.

Ok so there is some reasons why, but why exactly is this profitable? Could i bet this 9way too? What is the limit? Depends?

I hope you can see why it's not good to always be spoon fed. But in case you don't think about it like this: at the tables you won't have me or another coach to tell you the right play or the right concept. You will have to rely on your own judgement for that. And if you don't work on that part, if you don't try to think about why and how then you will have a hell of a tough time when applying said concept.

My goal here is to improve your thought process and overall understand of the game rather than give you exact answers to specific hands/questions that may help short term but won't really do much long term.

As far as your other question goes, of course it depends. The more people you have the less FE you actually have (since there's a bigger chance they'd hit).

I hope you can see why it's not good to always be spoon fed. But in case you don't think about it like this: at the tables you won't have me or another coach to tell you the right play or the right concept. You will have to rely on your own judgement for that. And if you don't work on that part, if you don't try to think about why and how then you will have a hell of a tough time when applying said concept.

I agree 100% but i thought (in the beginning) when i'm learning the basics like now, that it's ok to get spoon fed. It's not that bad that it may look like. I'm not getting directly spoonfed all the freakin time. I also get spoon fed to see if what i was thinking was correct. But you're a coach, the one who have the most experience so all hands down ofc. I will take what you said seriously and see if i can improve, so from now on, i will do my best and give a concept much thought before asking. So thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

As far as your other question goes, of course it depends. The more people you have the less FE you actually have (since there's a bigger chance they'd hit)

Here he bets 5way. I doubt he expect every one to fold but you said:

it's really that you have a good hand (equity) + position (fold equity) so you can bet.

Ok so that's the reason. Why would equity+fold equity make us money long-term in this spot? Or is this concept gonna be explained further in the course?

It's up to you on how you want to proceed and it's your choice in the end.

From my experience, the ones that try to do a lot on their own and then come to get their thought process "double checked" and enhanced improve faster and go farther. And this is a skill that you can learn as well, it's not something that you have to be born with.

When people fold you make money. When you hit a hand you make money. The more you can do of both the more money you make (of course there are some cases where you want people to fold less and call more like when you hold AA preflop) but overall, when it comes to a drawy hand, in order to make money (since it's a semibluff) you need both Fold Equity (so you win the pot sometimes when they fold) and Hand Equity (you win the pot sometimes when you hit).

and then come to get their thought process "double checked" and enhanced improve faster and go farther.

I'm sorry but there's some english word expressions i don't get. Could you try to simplify the sentence?

I'm not sure how that can be simplified further.

It just states that those that do a lot of work by themselves and then enlist the help of better players (coaches) do better overall than those that just enlist the help without first working through it.

Ok i got i now. I do work with my thoughtprocess before i post the hand. Then i say in the post: "I did this, but i guess that would have been better etc. I go through my hands, thought process, what better decisions could have been made, try to recreate the situation and try to "play it" perfectly as i didn't have a timebank. Sometimes i have bad days and my head is tired so I wouldn't do it as good. But i'm trying the best i can every day and i appreciate your opinions and i'm gonna try to improve further, since i really want to be a better player.