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NL5 Zoom A5s deep OOP

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Absolutism
Joined: 09.08.2008

BTN: $5 (100 bb)
Hero (SB): $17.44 (348.8 bb)
BB: $7.27 (145.4 bb)
UTG: $6.68 (133.6 bb)
MP: $5.59 (111.8 bb)
CO: $5 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A♥ 5♥
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.30) 9♥ 8♥ 3♦ (2 players)
Hero bets $0.23, BB raises to $0.69, Hero raises to $2.05, BB calls $1.36

Turn: ($4.40) 4♦ (2 players)
Hero bets $6.95, BB calls $5.07 and is all-in

River: ($14.54) 5♦ (2 players, 1 is all-in)

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Results: $14.54 pot ($0.60 rake)
Final Board: 9♥ 8♥ 3♦ 4♦ 5♦
Hero showed A♥ 5♥ and lost (-$7.27 net)
BB showed 3♥ 3♠ and won $13.94 ($6.67 net)

19/14, 3bet:3.4, AF:1.2 (76 hands)

Villain is pretty much unknown, seems like a normal regular.

I had absolutely no clue how to play the hand after i got raised on the flop. If i just call, i will look like a draw, exactly what i have. So i tried to 3bet him, i think i can fold out a few better hands (TT-JJ, A9 maybe), and make him to push with worse draws sometimes.

He just called, and i have a very awkward spr at the turn, i have to overbet push or check/fold, i dont think it makes sense to check/call here. I picked up some equity, so i decided to just push.

Questions:

1. whats the right play here OOP?

2. If the turn is something else (Q:d for example), how should i play the hand?


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Absolutism
Joined: 09.08.2008

Another hand with the same situation:

BTN: $5.07 (101.4 bb)
SB: $3.11 (62.2 bb)
BB: $5.54 (110.8 bb)
Hero (UTG): $5 (100 bb)
MP: $6.68 (133.6 bb)
CO: $12.85 (257 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8♣ A♣
Hero raises to $0.15, MP folds, CO calls $0.15, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.37) 4♣ 6♣ 5♠ (2 players)
Hero bets $0.28, CO raises to $0.64, Hero raises to $1.85, CO raises to $12.70, Hero calls $3.00 and is all-in

Turn: ($10.07) 2♥ (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($10.07) A♥ (2 players, 1 is all-in)

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Results: $10.07 pot ($0.42 rake)
Final Board: 4♣ 6♣ 5♠ 2♥ A♥
Hero showed 8♣ A♣ and lost (-$5.00 net)
CO showed 4♦ 4♥ and won $9.65 ($4.65 net)

21/15 reg, 3bet:10 (based on just 37 hands). Playing draws OOP is tough for me...


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w34z3l
Joined: 03.08.2009

Hey Absolutism,

Hands are not really the same situation because we are deep in one and not the other. In the 2nd one we also have gutshot outs.

In the first hand when deep I recommend you just flat vs flop raise. In the second it's fine to 3bet and get the money in.


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Absolutism
Joined: 09.08.2008

OK, but then, if i just call the raise on the flop, what should i do on the turn?

If i hit, and i check, he will most likely just check behind, then i bet river, he calls with sets/2pairs, folds the rest.

If i dont hit, i cant really check/call the turn, cause it will be superobvius what i have, so if i hit the river, he wont pay me out.


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w34z3l
Joined: 03.08.2009

Hey Absolutism,

Basically why do we 3bet draws? Because we expect to generate fold-equity.

A big problem we have is that guys are just not raising the flop that light at these limits. As a result we don't generate any fold-equity with a re-raise a lot of the time. We are simply building the pot when we have a dominated hand.

On the turn we have to check. If villain bets again we evaluate our pot-odds and implied-odds based on his sizing and calculate if we have a profitable call. Yes - to a good play our range may be face up. There is not a huge amount we can do about this - it's basically just an inherent disadvantage of being OOP. Villain is not necessarily good of course and likely will pay us off anyway if we hit.


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