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NL 50 3bpot vs tight player,do we have value OTR?

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Yozan
Joined: 01.01.2010

V is 8k hands
17/14/5.6 WTSD 28 WWSF 48
cbet 3b pot 60/56/0
fold river 56
AF 2/4/2.5
c/f 40(5)

Is this standard chck back OTR?

MP: $50.75 (101.5 bb)
Hero (CO): $50.40 (100.8 bb)
BTN: $37.75 (75.5 bb)
SB: $50.25 (100.5 bb)
BB: $82.51 (165 bb)
UTG: $34.50 (69 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T A
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, BTN folds, SB raises to $4, BB calls $3.50, Hero calls $2.50

Flop: ($12) T K 2 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($12) 2 (3 players)
SB bets $7, BB folds, Hero calls $7

River: ($26) Q (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $12, SB raises to $39.25 and is all-in, Hero folds

TY!


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w34z3l
Joined: 03.08.2009

Hey Yozan,

Preflop call is fine multiway.

Flop check is fine. I'd be tempted to just throw out a small bet for protection, perhaps $4.50 or so.

Turn call is fine.

What makes you think this would ever be a river check/back. We have a flush and worse can call! Folding to x/r might be reasonable on paired texture though, depends how bluffy villain is. If he's tight we can bet/fold.


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Yozan
Joined: 01.01.2010

Originally posted by w34z3l
What makes you think this would ever be a river check/back. We have a flush and worse can call! Folding to x/r might be reasonable on paired texture though, depends how bluffy villain is. If he's tight we can bet/fold.

Lack of skill ATM probably :f_biggrin:

Size OTR?pls

TY!


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w34z3l
Joined: 03.08.2009

Hey Yozan,

I would imagine anywhere between $12-$18 has a similar expectation assuming villain doesn't x/r bluff. Given we will induce bluffs less with the larger sizing would probably bet $16-$18.


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maritsula
Joined: 19.12.2011

Question should be if we call the raise OTR not if we value bet!

I think folding in this spot is bad. With the line that villain took its highly unlikely that he is bluffing but we beat a decent part of his value range!

Pot odds are 26% and if we made it $16/18 they would have been close to 20%!

We lose to 7c , thus if we beat 3-4c of his value range we have a +ev call!

We lose to 3c KK, 1cTT, 3cQQ

I think that he can potentially have 3c AA a few combos of flushes and maybe some straights!

This is more than enough for us to call :)


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Yozan
Joined: 01.01.2010

Hey M,thank you for stopping by!!!

Interesting point of view,but please look at this Villain,do u really think this kind of player will x/s OTR AA or AK,when flush hits??...please consider the fact that Hero have the NUTBloker to FD...

POt odds,are pot odds but how often you will see this kind of line from a NIT?


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maritsula
Joined: 19.12.2011

True, vs this specific opponent its different because he is v tight. How much does he 3bet SB vs CO btw?

I still think we beat at least a few combos of his river range. Why wouldn't he stack off with J9c or straight OTR?

problem is if he has those in his range which is unlikely :)


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Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

sick :f_biggrin: i think that most likely holding is KK, maybe because i would often play it like this too :P

don't really see bluffs or many worse hands, maybe some very few combos of AJ (have to heavily discount them due to pre and flop play) and T9s J9s or something, i mean... it's really important to have some clue on what his 3bet range looks like i guess, if he isn't 3betting these random connectors too often it's probably more of a fold, if he is then it's more of a call.
anyway i would call top of my range etc, but i wouldn't like it :f_biggrin:


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w34z3l
Joined: 03.08.2009

Hey guys,

Tomalocs comments are reasonable. It really depends on what is being 3bet preflop. Assuming villain is reasonably aggro he can have stuff like SC's and one-gappers from the SB here which he may x/r river with for value.

I would probably call river for this reason and not be too excited about it.


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