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metza
Joined: 28.01.2012

Originally posted by ikkvr
Nice run on the session :) mine is same as here goldstar and with my pic whats urs?

Shows it in graph picture :). I searched my db for ikkvr and no hands.
If you are european the chances of me playing at the same time as you is almost 0%, since there is 12 hour time difference.


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gadget51
Joined: 23.06.2008

Wow that was close, keep it going up now. :)


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ikkvr
Joined: 19.12.2012

No I am in asia India :) We follow IST times but not much volume in last days so and I play without hud so no probs xD


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metza
Joined: 28.01.2012

Still running pretty damn good but volume has really sucked since I've been sick recently, I only played about 2k hands of zoom this whole week, and spent a lot of time in bed. :f_frown:

BR at $185, hopefully can get back and have a crack at NL10 again in not too long.


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legand73
Joined: 01.06.2010

Hey metza

How goes things? long time no chat. I see the poker gods have been kind to recently man.


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metza
Joined: 28.01.2012

Originally posted by legand73
Hey metza

How goes things? long time no chat. I see the poker gods have been kind to recently man.

ok, I had my first losing day in a while. It was only 1.1k hands and 1.5BI down but sucked since at 800 hands was up 3BI.

A few interesting hands came up.

Loose hero call vs line that makes 0 sense for any value hand.

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PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 207.2 BB (VPIP: 36.36, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
SB: 190.6 BB (VPIP: 33.02, PFR: 23.58, 3Bet Preflop: 10.91, Hands: 108)
BB: 268.2 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 12)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 27.50, PFR: 23.75, 3Bet Preflop: 13.33, Hands: 81)
MP: 75.4 BB (VPIP: 28.74, PFR: 19.06, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 348)
Hero (CO): 248.8 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 9♦ 9♣

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6.4 BB, 2 players) A♣ 5♥ 6♥
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (6.4 BB, 2 players) T♦
BB checks, Hero bets 5 BB, BB raises to 16 BB, Hero calls 11 BB

River: (38.4 BB, 2 players) 5♦
BB bets 26 BB, Hero calls 26 BB

BB shows J♠ 9♠ (One Pair, Fives) (Pre 37%, Flop 14%, Turn 7%)
Hero shows 9♦ 9♣ (Two Pair, Nines and Fives) (Pre 63%, Flop 86%, Turn 93%)
Hero wins 86.6 BB

I think I probably should have let go of the 99 though, since I probably have a fair amount of Tx that play much better as bluffcatchers here.

Here the actual hand he has here is fucking bullshit, like why the fuck do you ever raise that here and fc gets there, but I think maybe I can still fold.
There are many spots where I now want to make super nitty folds.

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PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 20.21, PFR: 15.96, 3Bet Preflop: 5.71, Hands: 97)
SB: 116.2 BB (VPIP: 42.11, PFR: 36.84, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 20)
BB: 92.8 BB (VPIP: 28.00, PFR: 16.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)
UTG: 97 BB (VPIP: 15.59, PFR: 14.07, 3Bet Preflop: 10.89, Hands: 267)
Hero (MP): 132.4 BB
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 16.21, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 4.09, Hands: 678)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q♥ K♥

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 2.6 BB, fold

Flop: (7 BB, 2 players) K♦ 4♠ 3♥
SB checks, Hero bets 4 BB, SB calls 4 BB

Turn: (15 BB, 2 players) Q♣
SB checks, Hero bets 11 BB, SB raises to 31 BB, Hero calls 20 BB

River: (77 BB, 2 players) 7♣
SB bets 37 BB, Hero calls 37 BB

SB shows 7♠ 7♥ (Three of a Kind, Sevens) (Pre 51%, Flop 10%, Turn 5%)
Hero mucks Q♥ K♥ (Two Pair, Kings and Queens) (Pre 49%, Flop 90%, Turn 95%)
SB wins 144.8 BB


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metza
Joined: 28.01.2012

Interesting hand vs unknown 1 tabler

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 126.6 BB (VPIP: 21.05, PFR: 21.05, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
SB: 223.8 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
Hero (BB): 178.6 BB
UTG: 190.2 BB (VPIP: 23.46, PFR: 19.75, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 82)
MP: 158 BB (VPIP: 15.15, PFR: 9.85, 3Bet Preflop: 2.22, Hands: 138)
CO: 96.6 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 6.25, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q♠ Q♥

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 2.6 BB, Hero raises to 13 BB, MP calls 10 BB, SB calls 10 BB

Flop: (39 BB, 3 players) 9♥ J♥ T♥
SB bets 19 BB, Hero calls 19 BB, MP raises to 145 BB and is all-in, fold, Hero ?????


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ikkvr
Joined: 19.12.2012

Ez call nvr take 1 tabling such huge moves seriously


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metza
Joined: 28.01.2012

Originally posted by ikkvr
Ez call nvr take 1 tabling such huge moves seriously

Yeh I made the call. Unfortunately this time he had 7 :heart:6 :heart: but I think I can expect hands like A :heart: Jx to be in there as well as sets etc.

8 :heart: falling ott/otr would have been amazing. :f_biggrin:


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Ganimator
Joined: 14.02.2013

I would fold QQ there. Fish almost never play draws aggressivly because they have no concept of how much equity they have with their given hand. As well as at these stakes you find a lot more passive fish then aggressive ones. You will see them call down 2 streets there 95% of the time with the K :heart: or A :heart: but not jam in in on the flop.


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metza
Joined: 28.01.2012

Originally posted by Ganimator
I would fold QQ there. Fish almost never play draws aggressivly because they have no concept of how much equity they have with their given hand. As well as at these stakes you find a lot more passive fish then aggressive ones. You will see them call down 2 streets there 95% of the time with the K :heart: or A :heart: but not jam in in on the flop.

While I agree with what you say here, I totally disagree with the fold now.
Thanks so much for your comment as it got me to look into the hand on Equilab a bit more and realized something that I didn't even cross my mind during the hand but will hopefully make me a better player:

The blocker effects of Q :heart: Q :spade: on JT9 :heart: :heart: :heart: are insane.

The Q-9 :heart: being out of play makes it near impossible for him to have a flush other than 87s and lower which are somewhat unlikely in 3b pot. I am not thinking about AhKh because he will almost never have this, and the few times he does will be balanced out by rare spews with random trash imo eg. 6h6c or whatever.

We also block the nut straight very well

Given that the pot odds on a call are 36% I think its actually a very clear call.

If we knew he has only sets, we are flipping vs that range w 17 outs.

We have a good price even if he is never getting it in with anything worse than a straight

Equity
Hero 45.14% QhQs
Villain 54.86% JJ-99, KQs, 87s, 7h6h, 6h5h, 5h4h, KQo, 87o


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ikkvr
Joined: 19.12.2012

Yap was just gonna say that we have enuff outs vs his donkey shoving range I have seend this happens vs My AA or KK vs 66 77 88 sometimes a q high donk shoves and just cant stop laughing


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metza
Joined: 28.01.2012

Originally posted by ikkvr
Yap was just gonna say that we have enuff outs vs his donkey shoving range I have seend this happens vs My AA or KK vs 66 77 88 sometimes a q high donk shoves and just cant stop laughing

That's actually not what I was saying :f_biggrin:

I am saying that we are priced in to call even if the worst hand he is shoving is a straight.


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Ganimator
Joined: 14.02.2013

Against this range :

JJ,TT,99,KQs,87s,Ah8h,Kh8h,Ah7h,Kh7h,Ah6h,Kh6h,8h6h,7h6h,Ah5h,Kh5h,7h5h,6h5h,Ah4h,6h4h,5h4h,Ah3h,5h3h,4h3h,Ah2h,KQo,87o

Which is more realistic imo, we have 36% equity. I would also slightly discount sets shoving here. From what I've seen on monoboards fish are tempted to call down to see if they hit a fullhouse then to shove a set 150BB deep. I also don't think he is necessarily shoving weak flushes for protection either. I expect to be up against the nut flush,Kqo,87o most of the time and to occasionally see 8h8x or some spew hand.

So it is definitely not a clear snap call. Fish love to call squeezes with Axs and suited garbage in general.


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thazar
Joined: 14.09.2009

Originally posted by Ganimator
Against this range :

JJ,TT,99,KQs,87s,Ah8h,Kh8h,Ah7h,Kh7h,Ah6h,Kh6h,8h6h,7h6h,Ah5h,Kh5h,7h5h,6h5h,Ah4h,6h4h,5h4h,Ah3h,5h3h,4h3h,Ah2h,KQo,87o

Which is more realistic imo, we have 36% equity. I would also slightly discount sets shoving here. From what I've seen on monoboards fish are tempted to call down to see if they hit a fullhouse then to shove a set 150BB deep. I also don't think he is necessarily shoving weak flushes for protection either. I expect to be up against the nut flush,Kqo,87o most of the time and to occasionally see 8h8x or some spew hand.

So it is definitely not a clear snap call. Fish love to call squeezes with Axs and suited garbage in general.

I would definitely include sets and and like AhJ, possibly even JT


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thazar
Joined: 14.09.2009

Originally posted by Ganimator
Against this range :

JJ,TT,99,KQs,87s,Ah8h,Kh8h,Ah7h,Kh7h,Ah6h,Kh6h,8h6h,7h6h,Ah5h,Kh5h,7h5h,6h5h,Ah4h,6h4h,5h4h,Ah3h,5h3h,4h3h,Ah2h,KQo,87o

Which is more realistic imo, we have 36% equity. I would also slightly discount sets shoving here. From what I've seen on monoboards fish are tempted to call down to see if they hit a fullhouse then to shove a set 150BB deep. I also don't think he is necessarily shoving weak flushes for protection either. I expect to be up against the nut flush,Kqo,87o most of the time and to occasionally see 8h8x or some spew hand.

So it is definitely not a clear snap call. Fish love to call squeezes with Axs and suited garbage in general.

I would definitely include sets and and like AhJ, possibly even JT at NL5


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metza
Joined: 28.01.2012

Not so good session today, kept getting donked w premium hands in 3b pots then ran KK into AA again. Seriously starting to think some people are just not getting it in w KK pre.

Obviously never folding here, but to jam flop or call flop and keep his bluffs in? I( felt it was too drawy and just wanted to get it in there, since I don't think he's bluffing very often, and rarely folding either.

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 266.8 BB (VPIP: 12.75, PFR: 9.80, 3Bet Preflop: 2.27, Hands: 105)
SB: 98.6 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
Hero (BB): 186 BB
UTG: 116.4 BB (VPIP: 28.26, PFR: 19.57, 3Bet Preflop: 15.00, Hands: 49)
MP: 114.6 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
CO: 100.8 BB (VPIP: 20.59, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 34)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K♥ A♠

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.4 BB, fold, SB calls 2 BB, Hero raises to 13 BB, fold, SB calls 10.6 BB

Flop: (28.4 BB, 2 players) 9♥ 8♦ A♥
SB bets 27 BB, Hero raises to 173 BB and is all-in, SB calls 58.6 BB and is all-in

Turn: (199.6 BB, 2 players) 7♥

River: (199.6 BB, 2 players) 9♦

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SB shows A♣ 9♣ (Full House, Nines full of Aces) (Pre 30%, Flop 81%, Turn 73%)
Hero shows K♥ A♠ (Two Pair, Aces and Nines) (Pre 70%, Flop 19%, Turn 27%)
SB wins 191.4 BB


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ikkvr
Joined: 19.12.2012

so wheres the roll at I ran bad and spewed a lot now 5$ left :(


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metza
Joined: 28.01.2012

$173, I haven't been playing much and will probably not be playing in the next 3 days because I have a ton of work for my course (studying personal training). Not been able to put in as much volume as I'd like for this month.

Sorry to hear about your roll, what happened? Did you tilt and not drop down soon enough? $5 isn't $0 though so don't quit!!! I haven't tilted in ages, but today I got donked a lot then tilt-quit after KK into AA. I started to quit sessions when things go bad as usually if my session starts going downhill, it will just get worse rather than better, and usually the opposite is true for good sessions.


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ikkvr
Joined: 19.12.2012

Yes ran bad on nl10 than nl5 and than nl2 donkeys are also winning with 64s 510s shoves Lets see how much I can grind back or go busto


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