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Krach-Bumm-Ente
Joined: 01.05.2006

PokerStars - €0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 153.92 BB
BB: 185.5 BB (VPIP: 46.94, PFR: 6.12, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 50)
UTG: 295.84 BB (VPIP: 21.25, PFR: 14.50, 3Bet Preflop: 4.38, Hands: 3,209)
CO: 169.5 BB (VPIP: 27.17, PFR: 13.59, 3Bet Preflop: 4.49, Hands: 188)
BTN: 139.22 BB (VPIP: 26.72, PFR: 12.21, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 133)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8♣ 4♥ 8♥ 4♠

fold, fold, BTN calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 4 BB, BB calls 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB

Flop: (12 BB, 3 players) 4♣ Q♣ 7♦
Hero bets 8 BB, BB calls 8 BB, BTN raises to 43.46 BB, fold, fold

Is it ok to just fold bottomset here? I'm not really worried about BB, even though he probably has some kind of draw which has decent equity against my hand. BTN could have me crushed or could also have decent equity against my hand. How relevant are my 8 blockers? The only combodraw is 568 with clubs, and I block 8s so that makes his drawing range a bit weaker.
BTN and BB might also hold each other's outs, which would make my fold worse. On the other hand, if BTN has QQ or 77, hands he can easily have, I'm virtually dead. I haven-ät invested much in the pot, so fold is ok?


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dylboi011
Joined: 20.04.2010

Hi, looks good to me at this stack depth and it looks like villain is quite nitty!


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Skodljivec
Joined: 17.12.2011

Hi,

bet bigger otf, you really want value on such a wet board. BTN indeed looks quite tight here. Best best case scenario he has a pair + nfd, worst case it's a set. Also if he has a combodraw, he is usually flipping with you. So you are either decently ahead vs the nfd, flipping vs combodraw, or drawing deadish vs a bigger set. Overall, and give the fact that a lot of players play draws passively, especially IP, i'd say this is a good fold.

Regards,

Skod


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MrTrocks
Joined: 25.03.2006

isnt it to obv when villian bets here bigger when he has it and bets 8bb when not? that means would u always bet big also with ure bluffs? and if yes..isnt it better to bet the sizing like villian did?


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Skodljivec
Joined: 17.12.2011

I think you are confusing hero with villain here. And yes, we have no bussiness cbetting that board with our air, as it is bound to hit one of them here. But when we do bet, we want to protect our hand, so betting bigger is better.

Regards,

Skod


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Krach-Bumm-Ente
Joined: 01.05.2006

i just have to mention that 12BB is not the actual flop pot size, the rake is not considered here. but still i agree that i should bet more, like in some other hands. i think my flawed logic is that i don't want to appear as strong and keep people in the hand who would fold to larger bets, but they never do anyway


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Skodljivec
Joined: 17.12.2011

Originally posted by Krach-Bumm-Ente
i just have to mention that 12BB is not the actual flop pot size, the rake is not considered here. but still i agree that i should bet more, like in some other hands. i think my flawed logic is that i don't want to appear as strong and keep people in the hand who would fold to larger bets, but they never do anyway

Bingo, you hit the nail there. Once you bet on these type of boards you obviously have something.

Regards,

Skod


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