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Hey,

My thoughts: it is a limped pot - bet / call flop - he could have a lot of hand combos here besides a FD: Jx 2x 7x; Gutters / Floats with a Spade.

On the turn I will probably call him and evaluate river so when he checks i am betting myself to keep the initiative and re-evaluate river IP with more info. If he does have gutters or floats or 2x he should fold turn - narrowing his range further to a FD or Jx

Also what is your plan on the river - if a spade comes and he bets out - are you folding ? (if it goes c/c turn). I think you are loosing value with this line.

BR

Originally posted by a55a5in4ever
Hey,

My thoughts: it is a limped pot - bet / call flop - he could have a lot of hand combos here besides a FD: Jx 2x 7x; Gutters / Floats with a Spade.

On the turn I will probably call him and evaluate river so when he checks i am betting myself to keep the initiative and re-evaluate river IP with more info. If he does have gutters or floats or 2x he should fold turn - narrowing his range further to a FD or Jx

Also what is your plan on the river - if a spade comes and he bets out - are you folding ? (if it goes c/c turn). I think you are loosing value with this line.

BR

Maybe, you are right, tho there are few things, if i bet turn and get raised i need to fold right? If he was on FD and got it, there is some not Nut flushes that will raise my turn scared of Spade on river themselves.

If there as 4th spade on river i would fold most of the time (depends on bet size)

Well the reason i stoped betting turn was like this:

1. I put him on flush draw
2. Flush draw completed.
3. I can't continue if i get raised and i was right about my read (FD)
4. It's kinda WA-WB situation.
5. If river is good for me (as it was in this situation) and he was really on FD he will bet river himself for value anyway, and then i shove.

That was my plan for this hand... donno.. maybe it's incorrect plan in general, tho i was playing with my reads on opponent.

Hey,

The point i was trying to make is that you cannot put him on a FD just because he check/called the flop - i agree with you it is a decent chunk of his range (FD) but he could have some other hands there.

If he check raise the turn - i think we have to fold. Worst Non Flush hand that can check raise would be something like J with Club - Kc Qc Tc 9c - not sure what type of player this guy is. Or he could check raise lone Ac he was floating with.

I really think you have to bet the turn - to get value from Jx and to protect your hand vs a random club. Kc Qc Tc 9c 5c

Also if the turn goes C/C - you are playing a guessing game on the river especially if he leads out. You will probably have to fold to any river bet since you put him on made flush and if another spade comes out really have to fold. Also this line makes you vulnerable to bluffs - on the river especially if a club comes.

Bottom line is you are getting 1 street of value with your set.

BR

I will definitely not limp pre with these stack sizes. From this position, I will prolly just iso the fish limping. As played-bet/flop, I will bet turn as well, it's not just FDs he's got left. We need to protect and get value from worse hand. River is well played. He calls FDs and trips.