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very bad luck on this hands, but IMO you are raising too little preflop and too little post flop (the hand you have nut straight and minraise the turn) , also hand #1 is more a coin flip on the flop (utg did play the hand terrible)

I perfectly understand you. I had two bad days already at Party, costing me 19BI at NL25 playing SSS. It's like donks declared a war. ♦

I lost 70% of my bankroll at full tilt in 2 days, so not bad enough what happend to you.

Most of all very bad play. You are giving your oppenents all the odds in the world for them to chase their hands.

#1 One limper and you just call your AJ. Should raise 4BB+1. In the flop if no raise you should at east raise 3/4 or 2/3 of the pot. Small raises not scare anyone, so you will get beat many times by runners.

#2 If have a OESD so you should bet the flop. Everyone checks till you so make the bet. The turn once again your bet is again too small. If you had bet in the flop you would probably scared that pair 88;

#3 Once again bad play. Should have bet more in the flop and the turn. You should put him all in in the turn.

#4 AKs 3 limpers raise to .70 pre flop. With that pot In the flop bet 1.5$. It's hard to put your opponnets in a range if you betting make possible to them have any kind of hand.

#5 What are you doing in the table with 7$?? Big stack you play with 100BB never least. Besides that this hand is weel played.

# 6 7 8 - same mistakes has before.

My advice is try to play less hands and study a litle more. The more better you play less luck will affect your game.

As I said, I don't play perfectly.

Its easy to fault me on not betting enough but saying that is "VERY bad play" is just stupid considering how they called and how much they hit.

You should know that its nearly impossible to make somebody stop calling on 0.02/0.04 - they are all calling stations. I would have just lost more if I followed your ways.

Originally posted by Therk
As I said, I don't play perfectly.

That sums it up. To make money at SSS you need to be perfect, or near perfect. Post your hands in the correct forum. This is how your bad beats should look...

Known players:
[tg]Position_Stack:hands/vp$ip/RaisePreflop/AF/WTS/ORL/BBvsSteal/W$SD;SB$16.90:149/29 /1 /0.4/32 /0 /100 /63 ;BB$3.75:86/27 /7 /1.4/22 /0 /50 /33 ;UTG$1.70:1,909/11 /10 /4.0/45 /14 /96 /48 ;UTG+2$10.00:609/21 /11 /6.1/20 /55 /75 /45 ;MP1$3.05:80/29 /15 /1.7/38 /25 /0 /50 ;Hero$1.50:///////;MP3$12.80:32/34 /6 /3.0/27 /0 /-/50 ;CO$6.15:32/47 /6 /2.7/44 /0 /0 /75 ;BU$1.70:2,557/8 /8 /5.8/38 /16 /84 /48 ;[/tg]
0.05/0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.60 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A♥, K♥
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, MP3 folds, CO calls $0.40, 3 folds.

Flop: ($0.95) Q♣, Q♥, 3♣ (2 players)
Hero bets $1.10 (All-In), CO calls $1.10.

Turn: ($3.15) 9♣
River: ($3.15) 2♥

Final Pot: $3.15

Results follow (highlight to see):
Hero shows a pair of queens (Ah Kh)
CO shows two pairs, queens and deuces (2c Ad)

CO wins with two pairs, queens and deuces (2c Ad)

Known players:
[tg]Position_Stack:hands/vp$ip/RaisePreflop/AF/WTS/ORL/BBvsSteal/W$SD;SB$2.95:38/14 /0 /2.0/33 /0 /0 /50 ;BB$3.85:38/61 /5 /2.5/38 /0 /-/50 ;UTG$5.55:14/21 /7 /5.0/40 /0 /-/0 ;UTG+2$2.00:440/21 /6 /3.3/29 /3 /57 /45 ;MP1$9.90:777/21 /8 /3.4/23 /24 /100 /53 ;MP2$2.00:253/10 /8 /2.0/24 /13 /100 /25 ;MP3$12.75:149/29 /1 /0.4/32 /0 /100 /63 ;CO$4.10:38/34 /5 /0.7/47 /33 /100 /29 ;Hero$1.85:///////;[/tg]
0.05/0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.60 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is BU with K♠, A♥
4 folds, CO calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.50, SB folds, BB calls $0.40, CO folds.

Flop: ($1.15) 2♥, 4♣, 7♦ (2 players)
BB bets $0.10, Hero raises to $1.35 (All-In), BB calls $1.25.

Turn: ($3.85) 9♥
River: ($3.85) 3♦

Final Pot: $3.85

Results follow (highlight to see):
Hero shows high card ace with king kicker (Ks Ah)
BB shows a straight, five high (5s Ad)

BB wins with a straight, five high (5s Ad)

I could only find 2 AK bad chum beats for you, as opposed to about 30 chum crushing hands. Learn to play correct and you mostly chase bad hands away, and go in dominating others for +EV. Play at NL10 minimum.

Originally posted by Therk
As I said, I don't play perfectly.

Its easy to fault me on not betting enough but saying that is "VERY bad play" is just stupid considering how they called and how much they hit.

You should know that its nearly impossible to make somebody stop calling on 0.02/0.04 - they are all calling stations. I would have just lost more if I followed your ways.

It's indeed very bad play, post your hands in hand judge forums and you will get argumented critisism, just look at your 1st hand, why do you bet so small. on the river you should fold as you only beat busted fd(which he actually had here :X ), in the 2nd hand you just limp with a spewy hand for MP, then just minraise with the nuts and get your money in when you are dead, not commenting other hands.. Just post the hands in hand judging forums, you should do it regulary and try to understand what people say there and reread articles.

Also you should reread psychology articles ASAP as your lost missplayed hands lead to missleading ideas based on your experience which are very harmful for your bankroll. (I am about you saying you would loose more)

Hi Therk

I understand your frustration... it will happen... I do believe that the previous posts have highlighted a lot of the mistakes that you have made.... and there are a lot....

You said that you would have lost a lot more if you had played the hands as suggested... I disagree.... some hands yes, other hands you may have won.... I would take a good look at all the articles again and again, not only will they teach you how to eliminate the dead money, how to control a hand, how to put someone on a range and how to maximise the value of your winning hands, they will teach you how to make a profit long term, and how to maximise your edge over the donks....

It's frustrating now, but all you can really do is work on your game and improve, follow BRM so you don't go bust, and chalk up your experience points with all your bad beats...

gl

Originally posted by cunhaTW
#5 What are you doing in the table with 7$?? Big stack you play with 100BB never least. Besides that this hand is weel played.

This hand is cmpletely missplayed, raise to 0.4 here, 4bet to 2$(as played), by minraising you give them outstanding odds to continue with almost any cards and they assume you have strong hand so their implied odds are huge, I capitalize on such play so often, it's just get opponent's stack or fold on the flop and it's so +EV for good players. Villain was donk going allin pf tho.

No wait, I found one more, its a CLASSIC

Known players:
[tg]Position_Stack:hands/vp$ip/RaisePreflop/AF/WTS/ORL/BBvsSteal/W$SD;MP1$5.65:27/31 /19 /1.0/63 /50 /-/60 ;Hero$1.85:///////;[/tg]
0.05/0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.60 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K♠, A♥
UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls $0.10, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $0.50, 4 folds, MP1 calls $0.40.

Flop: ($1.15) 8♦, 9♥, 3♠ (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $1.35 (All-In), MP1 calls $1.35.

Turn: ($3.85) 5♣
River: ($3.85) T♦

Final Pot: $3.85

Results follow (highlight to see):
Hero shows high card ace with king kicker (Ks Ah)
MP1 shows a pair of threes (3h 2h)

MP1 wins with a pair of threes (3h 2h)

♦ ♦ ♦

top this hand as classic , btw -8 bi today yay!!!! thank god i luckboxed a buyin in 1 orbit of omaha ♦

Preflop: Hero is UTG2 with A♥, A♣. MP2 posts a blind of $0,25. CO posts a blind of $0,10.
BB posted big blind of just $0,10 and is all-in.
UTG1 calls $0,25, Hero raises to $1,50, 7 folds, UTG1 calls $1,25.

Flop: ($3,95) T♥, T♠, 9♠ (2 players)
UTG1 checks, Hero bets $3,90 (All-In), UTG1 calls $3,90.

Turn: ($11,75) 2♥
River: ($11,75) 2♦ (1 players)

Final Pot: $11,75

Results follow (highlight to see):
Hero shows two pairs, aces and tens (Ah Ac)
UTG1 shows a full-house, tens full of deuces (2c Tc)

UTG1 wins with a full-house, tens full of deuces (2c Tc)

Originally posted by Solomaextra
This hand is cmpletely missplayed, raise to 0.4 here, 4bet to 2$(as played), by minraising you give them outstanding odds to continue with almost any cards and they assume you have strong hand so their implied odds are huge, I capitalize on such play so often, it's just get opponent's stack or fold on the flop and it's so +EV for good players. Villain was donk going allin pf tho.

Solo you are totally right. I just saw that he had gone all in preflop and didn't look to the bet pattern. It's correct to go all in pre flop, but the bet should be as you said.

Originally posted by Therk
As I said, I don't play perfectly.
Its easy to fault me on not betting enough but saying that is "VERY bad play" is just stupid considering how they called and how much they hit.
You should know that its nearly impossible to make somebody stop calling on 0.02/0.04 - they are all calling stations. I would have just lost more if I followed your ways.

I've almost 30K hands in NL5 with a winnig rate of 18BB/100, so i know perfectly how bad are the players there. I know they can't stop calling that's why you should protect your hands pre flop. Make them pay big by their mistakes. If you think it's stupid for me to say how bad is your play i'll will not say any more, i was trying to help you improve your game .. if you want to keep playing like you do the "donks" will thank you.

Good games

What is this then? How did i play this poorly?

** Hand History for Game 7530892701 **
$10 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, November 12, 04:46:43 ET 2008
Table Speed #1381870 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: Bohne4life ( $10.10 USD )
Seat 3: SmockO ( $10.23 USD )
Seat 5: MrsTwister1 ( $2.06 USD )
Seat 7: Biren555 ( $1.95 USD )
Seat 9: MattM4 ( $11.26 USD )
Seat 10: DEKANkomers ( $1.55 USD )
Seat 4: Therkster ( $2.05 USD )
Seat 2: Rusart555 ( $2.77 USD )
Seat 8: zheromsky ( $2.14 USD )
zheromsky posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
MattM4 posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Therkster [ Kc Ac ]
DEKANkomers raises [$0.20 USD]
Bohne4life folds
Rusart555 folds
Henk_83 has joined the table.
SmockO folds
Therkster raises [$0.60 USD]
MrsTwister1 folds
Biren555 folds
zheromsky folds
MattM4 folds
DEKANkomers raises [$0.80 USD]
Therkster raises [$1.44 USD]
DEKANkomers is all-In [$0.55 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5h, 6d, 9h ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2s ]
** Dealing River ** [ 2c ]
Therkster shows [ Kc, Ac ]a pair of Twos.
DEKANkomers shows [ Qh, 2h ]three of a kind, Twos.
Therkster wins $0.49 USD from the side pot 1 with a pair of Twos.
DEKANkomers wins $3.09 USD from the main pot with three of a kind, Twos.

you didn't play it poorly, the guy went all in with Q2s before the flop, if the hits trips it's not your fault. and you can't do anything about it

Last hand is well played, just remember you can't win every hand which is well played, rearead psychology articles as I told you.

SSS is treating me real nice:

(Without mentioning a billion coolers)

#1

** Hand History for Game 7531049537 **
$10 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, November 12, 07:03:57 ET 2008
Table Table 125992 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: chrissoder ( $2.74 USD )
Seat 2: LuckyCharmXD ( $7.55 USD )
Seat 3: danneballe88 ( $12.11 USD )
Seat 6: Therkster ( $2.15 USD )
Seat 9: jxnzz ( $10.14 USD )
Seat 7: iLiGhtyall ( $10.28 USD )
Seat 5: jeyjey17 ( $1.75 USD )
Seat 4: mirra113 ( $6.72 USD )
Seat 10: Heglir45 ( $1.85 USD )
Seat 8: ffxs0n ( $2.14 USD )
danneballe88 posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
mirra113 posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Therkster [ Ks Kc ]
jeyjey17 folds
Therkster raises [$0.40 USD]
iLiGhtyall folds
ffxs0n raises [$1.20 USD]
jxnzz folds
Heglir45 folds
chrissoder folds
LuckyCharmXD folds
danneballe88 folds
mirra113 could not respond in time.(disconnected)
mirra113 folds
Therkster is all-In [$1.75 USD]
ffxs0n is all-In [$0.94 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6d, 4s, 5c ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ad ]
** Dealing River ** [ 2d ]
ffxs0n shows [ Kh, Ac ]a pair of Aces.
Therkster shows [ Ks, Kc ]a pair of Kings.
Therkster wins $0.01 USD from the side pot 1 with a pair of Kings.
ffxs0n wins $4.21 USD from the main pot with a pair of Aces.

#2

** Hand History for Game 7531154742 **
$10 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, November 12, 08:17:50 ET 2008
Table Table 126121 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Vlada789 ( $3.76 USD )
Seat 2: MDC991 ( $14.26 USD )
Seat 3: violet19 ( $7.67 USD )
Seat 4: stark100888 ( $9.85 USD )
Seat 5: BadaBing153 ( $6.31 USD )
Seat 7: lukende ( $10.97 USD )
Seat 8: Finn82 ( $9.18 USD )
Seat 9: b1onde ( $10 USD )
Seat 10: Billabong848 ( $7.28 USD )
Seat 6: Therkster ( $2 USD )
Billabong848 posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
Vlada789 is sitting out
violet19 posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Therkster [ Tc Th ]
Vlada789 has left the table.
stark100888 folds
kempoka has joined the table.
BadaBing153 did not respond in time
BadaBing153 folds
Therkster raises [$0.40 USD]
lukende folds
Finn82 folds
b1onde folds
Billabong848 folds
violet19 calls [$0.30 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4h, 2h, 9s ]
violet19 checks
Therkster bets [$0.60 USD]
violet19 calls [$0.60 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3c ]
violet19 bets [$1.46 USD]
Therkster is all-In [$1 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ Jh ]
violet19 shows [ 4d, 3d ]two pairs, Fours and Threes.
Therkster doesn't show [ Tc, Th ]a pair of Tens.
violet19 wins $0.46 USD from the side pot 1 with two pairs, Fours and Threes.
violet19 wins $3.85 USD from the main pot with two pairs, Fours and Threes.

#3

** Hand History for Game 7531152850 **
$10 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, November 12, 08:16:34 ET 2008
Table Table 125844 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: Calladolot ( $11.92 USD )
Seat 3: Akiakamai ( $1.65 USD )
Seat 4: rudi_red ( $1.90 USD )
Seat 5: maniek79 ( $2.17 USD )
Seat 6: sammydeluxe3 ( $3.88 USD )
Seat 7: PhilDeChill ( $10.78 USD )
Seat 9: megabass1979 ( $7.63 USD )
Seat 2: Therkster ( $2 USD )
Seat 8: JohnRevolver ( $2 USD )
Calladolot posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
Therkster posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
JohnRevolver posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Therkster [ Kh Ac ]
Akiakamai folds
rudi_red folds
maniek79 calls [$0.10 USD]
sammydeluxe3 folds
PhilDeChill calls [$0.10 USD]
JohnRevolver checks
megabass1979 calls [$0.10 USD]
Calladolot raises [$0.25 USD]
Showman34 has joined the table.
Therkster raises [$0.90 USD]
maniek79 is all-In [$2.07 USD]
PhilDeChill calls [$2.07 USD]
JohnRevolver folds
megabass1979 folds
Calladolot folds
Therkster is all-In [$1 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8s, 9s, Jh ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4d ]
** Dealing River ** [ 6c ]
Therkster shows [ Kh, Ac ]high card Ace with King kicker.
maniek79 shows [ Ad, 5c ]high card Ace.
PhilDeChill shows [ Th, 9c ]a pair of Nines.
PhilDeChill wins $0.32 USD from the side pot 1 with a pair of Nines.
PhilDeChill wins $6.18 USD from the main pot with a pair of Nines.
sammydeluxe3 has left the table.

#4

** Hand History for Game 7531175268 **
$10 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, November 12, 08:31:46 ET 2008
Table Table 125887 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 2: KrastyBoom ( $24.12 USD )
Seat 5: Neela09 ( $8.70 USD )
Seat 6: Arrtemis ( $2.20 USD )
Seat 10: maradonna861 ( $0.67 USD )
Seat 4: Therkster ( $1.83 USD )
Seat 8: clawnufc ( $10.55 USD )
Seat 1: GhostCouncil ( $9.45 USD )
Seat 9: SUVAR ( $4.31 USD )
Seat 7: zeezooz ( $10 USD )
Neela09 posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
Arrtemis posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Therkster [ Qc Qh ]
clawnufc folds
SUVAR folds
maradonna861 calls [$0.10 USD]
GhostCouncil folds
KrastyBoom calls [$0.10 USD]
Therkster raises [$0.50 USD]
Neela09 folds
Arrtemis calls [$0.40 USD]
maradonna861 folds
KrastyBoom folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5d, Jh, Th ]
Arrtemis bets [$1.19 USD]
clawnufc: gl therk
Therkster is all-In [$1.33 USD]
Arrtemis calls [$0.14 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Js ]
** Dealing River ** [ Td ]
Therkster: ty
Arrtemis shows [ Jd, Ac ]a full house, Jacks full of Tens.
Therkster doesn't show [ Qc, Qh ]two pairs, Queens and Jacks.
Arrtemis wins $3.72 USD from the main pot with a full house, Jacks full of Tens.

#5

** Hand History for Game 7533725936 **
$10 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, November 13, 08:19:55 ET 2008
Table Table 125527 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: snik11 ( $2 USD )
Seat 2: lean_gambler ( $9.15 USD )
Seat 3: pompong ( $1.80 USD )
Seat 4: Xeo6799 ( $10 USD )
Seat 5: SpLine555 ( $15.56 USD )
Seat 7: mini_ROI ( $2.15 USD )
Seat 9: Tossyouforit ( $7.19 USD )
Seat 10: lobonc ( $14.57 USD )
Seat 8: Therkster ( $1.85 USD )
Seat 6: tschuuu84 ( $2 USD )
pompong posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
Xeo6799 posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Therkster [ Tc Th ]
SpLine555 folds
mini_ROI folds
Therkster raises [$0.40 USD]
Tossyouforit calls [$0.40 USD]
lobonc calls [$0.40 USD]
snik11 folds
lean_gambler folds
pompong folds
Xeo6799 folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9s, Qd, Ts ]
Therkster bets [$0.96 USD]
Tossyouforit raises [$1.92 USD]
lobonc folds
Therkster is all-In [$0.49 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qc ]
** Dealing River ** [ 6h ]
Tossyouforit shows [ 9h, Qh ]a full house, Queens full of Nines.
Therkster doesn't show [ Tc, Th ]a full house, Tens full of Queens.
Tossyouforit wins $0.47 USD from the side pot 1 with a full house, Queens full of Nines.
Tossyouforit wins $4.04 USD from the main pot with a full house, Queens full of Nines.

#6

** Hand History for Game 7533725977 **
$10 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, November 13, 08:19:57 ET 2008
Table Table 126179 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: daniel5331 ( $8.29 USD )
Seat 8: EDDY355 ( $10.30 USD )
Seat 7: Therkster ( $2 USD )
Seat 5: khabakhaba ( $13.75 USD )
Seat 3: Xeo6799 ( $10 USD )
Seat 9: ZubTap ( $2 USD )
Seat 6: M0rZ0 ( $1.09 USD )
Seat 10: Mo6725 ( $2.75 USD )
Seat 4: stpiit ( $11.16 USD )
Seat 1: MobidikBo ( $2.46 USD )
M0rZ0 posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
Therkster posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Therkster [ Qh Qs ]
EDDY355 folds
ZubTap folds
Mo6725 folds
MobidikBo folds
daniel5331 calls [$0.10 USD]
Xeo6799 folds
stpiit folds
khabakhaba calls [$0.10 USD]
M0rZ0 calls [$0.05 USD]
Therkster raises [$0.50 USD]
daniel5331 calls [$0.50 USD]
khabakhaba calls [$0.50 USD]
M0rZ0 folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8c, 5h, 2c ]
Therkster is all-In [$1.40 USD]
daniel5331 calls [$1.40 USD]
khabakhaba calls [$1.40 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kd ]
daniel5331 checks
khabakhaba checks
** Dealing River ** [ Js ]
daniel5331 checks
khabakhaba folds
daniel5331 shows [ Ad, As ]a pair of Aces.
Therkster doesn't show [ Qh, Qs ]a pair of Queens.
daniel5331 wins $5.80 USD from the main pot with a pair of Aces.

I am playing exactly how SSS should be played and my Bankroll is getting absolutely pummeled, much more than before.

Does anybody want to give advice now?

Originally posted by Therk
I am playing exactly how SSS should be played and my Bankroll is getting absolutely pummeled, much more than before.

Does anybody want to give advice now?

You are playing absolutely wrong game. I gave you advice 3 times already, read articles, especially the psychological ones. Post hands on hand judgement section, not here! many of them are all played wrong. Last ones are coolers.

please use a hand converter, and the apropiate forum to post hands, these last hands are played fine btw.

and remember, people getting 4 outers , 2 outers, 3 outers , or whatever is not your fault and it doesn't mean SSS doesn't work. if you have a downswing there's nothing you can do, however there will always be something to do to improve your game.

good luck at the tables.