Zoom 100, deep 4-bet BvB

argh..i ask a friend of mine who is a hu specialist maybe thats helps ♦

for me: i´m not sure about pre but i guess its okay
Flop i like ure betsize
Turn: i´m not sure about the turn bet tbh against a strong range where are close to dead (5xxx,KKxx,Adxd,AA?) but who knows what he has here

i prefer c/c turn

you are not getting called by worse and dont make a better hand fold + you have some equity against 5x.

i dont know V., but i dont see people moving too light in 4b pots and i think 5x is still a good chunk of his range, maybe also 67, 679 but an aggresivve V. could also be raising those hands otf.

As played its close but i think you have to call.

Hi,

i really don't like the 4bet here. You are not doing that great vs his percieved range. I mean your hand is what i'm usually just folding before CO in a single raised pot and i'm very very (too?) loose.

I would prefer calling.

Otf i like your betsizing; however if you said villain is on tilt, he will raise you here often and you are going to have to fold (this will often happen if you 4bet a hand with danglers).

I agree the turn is a perfect c/c card; you are really not getting called by that much worse, but he will stab his entire floating range probably.

After you get raised i think you have to trust your gut in game in this spot. If you have a feeling villain is spewing and on tilt it's ok to call. If not, folding might be better as you lack the nutty outs needed here (i'm afraid he might have something like AKxx with nfd at least).

Regards,

Skod

I'd never 4-bet this hand against almost anyone besides the craziest LAGs. That guy fell into that category at that point, so I thought taking the lead from oop is better.

I agree I'm gonna get outplayed on the flop quite a bit by maniacs. I still think villain has so much complete air in his range, some of which has me beat. That's why I made the c-bet. I knew he had a great tendency to fight for pots no matter what his holding was, so against him the EV should be very low. I do think a c-bet is correct with this sizing.

On the turn I totally agree, I should've checked. I'm not sure whether I should call or shove. Probably shove because the board can still become a lot worse and my hand is a pretty face up, but with a shove I could get incorrect calls and I have FE. So pretty much the same idea as betting, just more profitable I guess.

When villain shoves I agree, I gotta go with my gut. I've seen these manics hold all kinds of crap in these spots, and even though he credibly reps trips he also could have a ton of worse hands because of how cheap I made it for him on the flop. Maniacs love creating confusion by letting the board run out and then they bluff when it's hard to put them on a range.

Originally posted by ETBrooD
I do think a c-bet is correct with this sizing.

why?

Originally posted by MrTrocks

Originally posted by ETBrooD
I do think a c-bet is correct with this sizing.

why?

Because I need 27% FE to play BE. Maniac LAGs focus very little on hand structure so my FE should be high on that board.

Your question is very justified though I think. I still need to be afraid of villain repping unlikely hands with all of his air. If he defends complete air, he probably defends all of it. In that case a small c-bet accomplishes nothing. Maybe half pot would be better against this player, otherwise not bluffing at all is best.

Originally posted by MrTrocks

Originally posted by ETBrooD
I do think a c-bet is correct with this sizing.

why?

He explained it pretty well. Keep in mind it will work really close to those 27%

Regards,

Skod

Originally posted by Suhepxm
i prefer c/c turn

you are not getting called by worse and dont make a better hand fold + you have some equity against 5x.

i dont know V., but i dont see people moving too light in 4b pots and i think 5x is still a good chunk of his range, maybe also 67, 679 but an aggresivve V. could also be raising those hands otf.

As played its close but i think you have to call.

This!