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tonypmm
Joined: 11.01.2009

Oh, btw, it's a really good idea to announce the equity percentage outside the spoiler, so that people knew the record they should strive to repeat or beat. Thanks for it!

The smallest nuts-vs-non-nuts equities I've achieved so far are:
4-card Omaha 21.22%
5-card Omaha 6.34%

(For 5-card Omaha equities, ProPokerTools can be used; I'm not aware of any equity calculator for 6-card one, and it has little traffic, so I'm not interested in doing the challenge for it, even though equities can be calculated manually with some effort if desired.)


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hi, where i can watch the recording of the first training?


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

I suppose it comes to the video section once the engine room has done their magic. :)


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Originally posted by Kyyberi
I suppose it comes to the video section once the engine room has done their magic. :)

:f_thumbsup:


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ZeroDegrees
Joined: 03.06.2008

22.95% underdog with worse nut straight on flop:

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Board: 9♥8♥5♠        Equity    Wins    Ties MP2    22.95%  22.95%   0.00% { 7d6d3d2d } MP3    77.05%  77.05%   0.00% { JhThQs7s }


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

Would be nice if someone posts a hand where hero isn't sure if he can call with a draw on the turn or not. :)


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tonypmm
Joined: 11.01.2009

Well, there are at least three aspects in contemplating a turn call on a draw:

1) The pot odds offered.
2) Opponents' ranges (whether they're ahead or behind when a non-nut out comes).
3) Opponents' sizing tendencies and betting and calling frequencies, determining the average value that will be extracted if the draw comes in.

As far as I understood, you're going to concentrate on calculating the implied odds in the best-case scenario - when additional river value is going to be extracted for sure - or at least when the amount of this expected additional value is known, whereas my main problems are with 2) and 3) (when I don't know how often anyone will bet or call).

Well, I have yet an hour left to find an example, but I hope you have your own examples that will pretty much fill the coaching up.


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MrTrocks
Joined: 25.03.2006

PokerStars - $1 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 198.17 BB (VPIP: 23.43, PFR: 15.37, 3Bet Preflop: 6.19, Hands: 1,384)
SB: 114.33 BB
Hero (BB): 137.99 BB
UTG: 129.17 BB (VPIP: 22.14, PFR: 17.86, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 142)
MP: 181.95 BB (VPIP: 17.39, PFR: 10.87, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 47)
CO: 211.82 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 14.81, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 27)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T♣ 4♥ A♣ 7♠

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (9 BB, 3 players) K♣ 7♣ 8♥
SB checks, Hero bets 6.88 BB, fold, SB raises to 29.24 BB, Hero calls 22.36 BB

Turn: (67.48 BB, 2 players) 4♦
SB bets 64.68 BB, Hero ?,

villian wtsd 43 wsd 50 af 3,5


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Gothicrow
Joined: 15.11.2010

Hi

Well maybe a fast example of a doubt calculating implied odds is when we have 2 pair + let's say J high FD, we bet flop and a passive player calls that bet. Then the turn puts a str8 on board and that passive player donks pot, against the str8 we doesn't have the direct odds.

So, how do we estimate our implied odds to make a turn call a profitable play?

Regards


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MrTrocks
Joined: 25.03.2006

PokerStars - $1 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 151.94 BB (VPIP: 13.64, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 24)
SB: 109.69 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
Hero (BB): 259.16 BB
UTG: 163.31 BB (VPIP: 29.80, PFR: 19.00, 3Bet Preflop: 4.02, Hands: 1,034)
MP: 12.56 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 27)
CO: 305.77 BB (VPIP: 34.28, PFR: 23.61, 3Bet Preflop: 8.25, Hands: 717)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q♦ A♦ 7♦ Q♥

UTG raises to 2.66 BB, MP calls 2.66 BB, fold, BTN calls 2.66 BB, SB calls 2.16 BB, Hero calls 1.66 BB

Flop: (13.3 BB, 5 players) 3♣ J♣ Q♠
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets 11.68 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 11.68 BB, Hero calls 11.68 BB

Turn: (48.34 BB, 3 players) K♣
SB bets 32 BB, fold, fold,

villian unkown


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Gothicrow
Joined: 15.11.2010

lol what I say is something similar to MrTrocks example, only that in his first example opponents range is wider

Regards


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MrTrocks
Joined: 25.03.2006

Originally posted by Gothicrow
lol what I say is something similar to MrTrocks example, only that in his first example opponents range is wider

Regards

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DoubleBogey
Joined: 18.08.2010

Worst case scenario i came up with, has ~29% with ds rundown

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Flopped nut-str8 vs Top2+FD+OESD+BDFD


Board: T♥9♥6♣
       Equity Wins Ties
MP2    28.87%    28.87%          0.00% { 8d7d6s5s }
MP3    71.13%    71.13%          0.00% { JhQhTc9c }


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

Some links from today's coaching:

BTN opening size: BTN opening

Master's Degree in Equities: Master's degree in Equities


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

Next week is a bye due the FIFA World Cup opening day. So the next course is 19th day. We are going to talk about fears. What do you fear in the tables?


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

Remember that today there will be NO coaching, due to World Cup. Meanwhile, who is the first and brave to discuss about the fear in or out the tables?


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MrTrocks
Joined: 25.03.2006

okay i will start:

-fear: playing big pots deep oop against a solid aggr reg who is capable of bluffraising/betting when a BCC (board changing card) hits. for ex.

250bb we 3b A :club:A :diamond:Q :diamond:T :club: in sb vs co or btn

raise 3bb 3b to 10bb

Pot 20bb
Flop AhTh5s b/c Pot 54bb
Turn: 4s b/c Pot: 144 bb
River: BCC hits like K, Q every :heart:, 2,3,6,7,8
Hero left: 168bb

-fear: level my self to often and dont recognize when i going on tilt calls


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Siedepunkt
Joined: 08.10.2008

Originally posted by Kyyberi
I suppose it comes to the video section once the engine room has done their magic. :)

Update?


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tonypmm
Joined: 11.01.2009

The magic is very slow indeed... as if Pokerstrategy wants people to attend everything (and be chattier as a consequence), instead of watching records of a missed coaching prior to the next one. I don't like the blatant way of teambuilding that Pokerstrategy exercises.

Regarding fears, I wonder why a strategy coach like Kyyberi takes on them - it's the job of psychotherapists. E.g. I'm pretty sure no poker coach can handle the anxiety custom female avatars trigger in me :f_biggrin: (the reason I have to turn avatars off).


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

We are not going to do some online group psychotherapy. We will discuss about two "fears" that are common to beginning players. I always thought I am a coach, not just strategy coach. If I can help members in their mental game, I am more than happy.


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