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MrTrocks
Joined: 25.03.2006

PokerStars - $1 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 147.56 BB (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 41.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
SB: 129.06 BB (VPIP: 46.51, PFR: 24.42, 3Bet Preflop: 5.13, Hands: 89)
Hero (BB): 224.7 BB
UTG: 221.72 BB (VPIP: 36.84, PFR: 21.05, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 77)
MP: 81.3 BB (VPIP: 32.14, PFR: 19.64, 3Bet Preflop: 23.53, Hands: 57)
CO: 235.79 BB (VPIP: 30.54, PFR: 22.80, 3Bet Preflop: 9.14, Hands: 947)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8♥ 6♣ J♥ K♣

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, SB calls 2.5 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (9 BB, 3 players) K♦ 2♠ J♣
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets 6.45 BB, SB calls 6.45 BB, Hero raises to 32 BB, BTN calls 25.55 BB, fold

Turn: (79.45 BB, 2 players) T♠
Hero ?

short question here:

pre standard
Flop: craise okay here or would u like a call more?
Turn: bet/fold? c/c ?

his continue range after i craise him is often a wrap, or also 2pair which is unlikely
so b/f and if yes how much would u make it?


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dylboi011
Joined: 20.04.2010

Hi i dont like your x/r at all here, calling plays better especially given somewhat deeper stack sizes.
Its not as if either we are pushing a ton of equity advantage vs his continuing range vs our x/r here and it makes turns like this very hard for us to play, not to mention if one of them does re ship over you are pretty crushed.

Turn, its probably an x/f

just another general point, not saying this is you but i think spots like this are why regs at 50c/1 and 1/2 have trouble fighting back vs barrels often, since they somewhat blindly x/r all top of your range on flop without thinking how weak this makes your x/c range then on.
it is also pretty easy adapt to play vs someone who does this!


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Skodljivec
Joined: 17.12.2011

Hi,

yeah i also never raise flop here. You have the perfect hand to just call with, and if you raise you gii only flipping or dead, no other scenario.

c/f turn. What can call you here beside the wrap? Even tho he is a fish, i think b/f has to be the play unless he bets very small then you can call.

Regards,

Skod


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OsCardozo
Joined: 29.05.2011

is that the deepness that makes that c/c is better than c/r ?
100bb deep, would you play the same way, or the c/r would be better ? (personnaly, 100bb deep i would c/r here)

and about the préflop, isn't this hand the kind of hand quite sexy to see but that in facts is a hand/spot that sucks and can make us lose lots of money ?
with the position

I mean :
- very gapped connection
- 2 nonut FD
- hand potentially ultra dominated in dynamic flops when we flops draws and are against more compact hands / higher draws / redraws-freeroll
- out of position
- 3way (and no much nutiness with this hand).

...

I mean, one of my leak in my standard game (B Game) I play far too loose préflop / lack of discipline.
This kind of hand/spot is the hand I would play when I'm playing too loose, and I'm folding when I focus/applicate to play properly/A Game.

And in long runs (periods of A Game, periods of B Game), this is one of kinds of hand that i feel that decreases my winrate


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MrTrocks
Joined: 25.03.2006

I think ds i would always call tbh


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dylboi011
Joined: 20.04.2010

Yeah very easy call on BB. Having said that, i don't tend to fold much closing the action
:f_biggrin:


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Skodljivec
Joined: 17.12.2011

Hi,

yeah vs fish this hand is fine. So while what you said is bad with this hand is true, the fish have wider range + like dillboy said we are closing the action.

100bb c/r here seems better for sure.


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