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NL4 6max 24082014 - 400BB pot river shove vs fish

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faronel
Joined: 13.07.2011

PartyGaming - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $3.47
MP: $4.00
CO: $8.67
BTN: $1.18
Hero (SB): $13.53
BB: $1.86

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has T♠ J♠

fold, MP raises to $0.12, CO calls $0.12, BTN calls $0.12, Hero calls $0.10, fold

Flop: ($0.52, 4 players) 5♠ 4♥ Q♠
Hero checks, MP checks, CO checks, BTN bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20, MP calls $0.20, CO calls $0.20

Turn: ($1.32, 4 players) A♥
Hero checks, MP checks, CO checks, BTN bets $0.86 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.86, fold, CO calls $0.86

River: ($3.90, 3 players) 8♠
Hero bets $12.35 and is all-in, CO calls $7.49 and is all-in

Spoiler

Hero shows T♠ J♠ (Flush, Queen High) (Pre 41%, Flop 22%, Turn 7%)
CO shows A♠ 9♠ (Flush, Ace High) (Pre 35%, Flop 38%, Turn 32%)
BTN mucks 4♣ A♣ (Two Pair, Aces and Fours) (Pre 25%, Flop 40%, Turn 61%)
CO wins $14.23
CO wins $3.71

The entire hand is played in terms of implied odds against CO. CO is a loose-passive player who plays basically any-two.
Previous reads:
1) calls with J :spade:5 :spade: on 9 :diamond:3 :club:5 :heart:8 :club:T :club: all three streets (river bet was $1.71 in that hand, total pot around $6)
+ other similar hands where CO either pays out or hits against a better hand.

Hero's reasoning behind this play:
1) Preflop: despite being OOP, we have CO in play who might pay off well.
2) Flop: Hero is calling expecting CO to call as well.
3) Turn: Hero is tanking but calling, expecting CO to call and pay with many hit hands (pair/two pair) etc versus hero potential hit on river.
4) Hero ships river because he expects CO to call down with worse.

Any thoughts?


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FFRRAANNKKIIEE
Joined: 30.12.2010

I dont like your river play, I'd bet big but not overbet, I mean the result would be the same in this particular situation bcs we must c/c and he would ship over your big bet, but if he didn't have spades he would never call you off with this sizing, you are screaming that you get there with 3rd spade with the line you took..


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faronel
Joined: 13.07.2011

Frankie,

This was a perfect calling station. He called 5 hands before 100BB with gut shot versus other player's TPTK, hit his 4 out on river and grew stack to 200BB...

It is the very player, who paid me against my AA:
NL4 6max 24082014 - AA betting vs calling station

I was quite sure he would call even maybe with Ax there. :f_love:

But walking into the nuts...


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FFRRAANNKKIIEE
Joined: 30.12.2010

well, table dynamics are pretty important, and if you are sure he's so crazy whale, then it's probably ok to go out of lines in these spots, I only gave you some general feedback how I would generally approach the situation.


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faronel
Joined: 13.07.2011

Yeah, thank you, of course.

I was 100% sure when I shipped that hand. The FD/gut shot were my aims on turn vs CO... But when I saw him with the nuts, I was not sure anymore of my play (400BB pot after all...).

Still pondering this hand. Don't know if it lets me sleep tonight. :f_biggrin:


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pokerboy198229
Joined: 20.08.2011

Against the player who calls with the 4rd pair on big river bets, is overbet all-in fine.
I only bothered with your call on turn, i dont think you get a nice prize. And by the way, u re not closing the action, there is another player behind. So im probably folding turn without nut flush draw, wouldnt like it, but the math is a strong argument.


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faronel
Joined: 13.07.2011

Yeah, good point about MP - MP was taken into consideration during call decision. It was call & fold if raised on turn.

The hand allowed me to sleep but I did ruminate about it for 30 minutes or so. lol :f_biggrin:


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