Crushing in 3-bet pots - NL Course with Bierbaer

Looking forward to next coachings

Today's coaching was really good! Looking forward to attend next parts. Cheers from Russian community

Great coaching! can you throw the second (simulation)hand you had prepared online so we can try and solve that one?

Hey guys,

thanks for the feedback!

Below you will find the second hand.
As a homework, assign ranges to hero and villain and consider how these ranges change over the streets and after different actions. Also keep in mind to factor in alternative actions and how these might in turn influence the various ranges involved.

Have fun testing the waters ;).

Phil

$1 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players

BTN: $101.50
Hero (SB): $122.92
BB: $265.21
UTG: $105.71
MP: $100.00
CO: $140.14

Hero posts SB $0.50, BB posts BB $1.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $1.50) Hero has Q:s Q:d

fold, fold, CO raises to $3.00, fold, Hero raises to $10.00, fold, CO calls $7.00

Flop: ($21.00, 2 players) T ♥ 3 ♥ 5 ♣
Hero bets $11.00, CO calls $11.00

Turn: ($43.00, 2 players) A ♥
Hero checks, CO bets $19.00, Hero?

Villain plays 24/17 after 46 hands
Reads: No further reads

Bierbaer, will u upload text from sublime?

Hey,

it's added to the first post under "coaching notes". It has been there since last wednesday or so :).
I boiled it down to the most important concepts.
If you need anything else, let me know.

Best regards,
Phil

Bierbaer, thank you!

Heey, best couchings with u;cant believe that all this infos you give us are for free and appreciate that so much..respect

I can't find the video of the first coaching. Could somebody post it in the thread, please?

Amazing coaching today thank you.

Can you say few words on how to pick exact hands with which we want to call 3b(around 16%) OOP against a guy who does it too much. I'm willing to put in work on this but not sure how to start. Also, how would you alter your range if villian is very aggro post flop? By slowplaying? How can I figure out this on my own(exact hands to defend with)?

Regards,
Filip

Originally posted by BotiaKiraly
I can't find the video of the first coaching. Could somebody post it in the thread, please?
+1 Still waiting for the vid.

Hi,
I really enjoyed your coaching!
After you showed the math for examining a 4bet/call with JJ against a villian who 3bets so tight that he can defend half of his 3bettingrange by only shoving a range of 2.5% (QQ+, AKs, AKo), I tried to calculate how other hands loook in that spot. For the case that villian shoves, you showed that the math would be: (chance villian shoves) * (chance we win * size of the final pot - amount we invested). For JJ against the 2.5% shovingrange, the result was 0.44 * (0.36 * 200 - 100) = -12.32.

Now a friend of mine and I noticed several things:
1) We have 4betted before villian shoves, so we have to call less than 100bb for the chance to win the pot. Don't we have to subtract the amount we 4betted from the 100bb in the calculation?
2) The amount that we can win will not be 200bb but something like 190bb on the lower stakes where the rake really hurts.
3) Assuming we hold AKo against that type of villian, we have 38.82% equity against his shovingrange. But we only win 18.15% and split 20.68% of the time, because his range consists of many AK combos. In the case of a split, we would again lose 5bb to the rake. Is there a way to consider this problem in a more detailed formula?

We are not that good at math, so we don't know if these thoughts are correct

Hi,

awesome coaching.

I was trying out the raise cbet in 3bet pots(I didn't really have a wide raising range before)

Anyways I decided to raise this one, and someone asked me what is my value raising range here, and I didn't really have any. Even though we do not need a very balanced range in these spots we should have some value raising range, cause we don't really have what to represent.

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/10964785_0AB55336BB

maybe a call flop and raise T if a spade comes would have been a better line, I'm not sure if I will have the odds though if he shoves over my raise.

Shitt- missed the coaching and couldnt reply çause had to go on an introductionCamp- littleisland in the middle of nowhere, no wifi ♠_mad:
The coaching from last tuesday online already?

I have to say I expected more from this coach, didn't learn much about exploiting aggressive 3-bettors, but learned a lot about how to play JTo...

Not sure if this is irony or you REALLY didn't get the coaching

Anyways good stuff imo.

Thanks!

Originally posted by buschips

Originally posted by BotiaKiraly
I can't find the video of the first coaching. Could somebody post it in the thread, please?
+1 Still waiting for the vid.
I guess this course will not find a way into the video section?

Maybe we should discuss different flop textures on which we should raise cb as bluff in 3b pots

I tried out some, and we do have a lot of FE.

I found that the worst boards to raise are low connected boards, cause they hit villains 3b bluff range and I don't think he is folding his overcards either

Another type of board was Axx Kxx, we have the FE, but if they call we can't really continue OTT

Originally posted by ZergZoul
I have to say I expected more from this coach, didn't learn much about exploiting aggressive 3-bettors, but learned a lot about how to play JTo...

If you were looking for a solution such as "If he 3-bets more than x%, then 4-bet" - I can imagine you were disappointed. However, this is not where the edge lies. Understanding post flop situations is essential for countering aggressive 3-bettors, because you exploit them by calling their 3-bet and then have them make mistakes with a wide range post flop.

I hope this clears up for you why we were discussing flop situations :).

Phil