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GingerKid
GingerKid
Joined: 05.08.2007
Posts: 4,913
27.09.2014, 15:22

partypoker - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 138.98 BB
SB: 197.63 BB (VPIP: 19.64, PFR: 15.45, 3Bet Preflop: 5.42, Hands: 4,550)
BB: 168.29 BB (VPIP: 28.15, PFR: 20.35, 3Bet Preflop: 7.58, Hands: 2,916)
UTG: 32.57 BB (VPIP: 33.58, PFR: 9.85, 3Bet Preflop: 1.60, Hands: 287)
MP: 126.34 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
CO: 219.31 BB (VPIP: 20.78, PFR: 15.92, 3Bet Preflop: 6.21, Hands: 1,285)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q♣ Q♠

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, fold, BB raises to 8 BB, Hero raises to 18 BB, BB raises to 168.29 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 120.98 BB and is all-in

Flop: (278.46 BB, 2 players) A♠ Q♥ 5♣

Turn: (278.46 BB, 2 players) T♦

River: (278.46 BB, 2 players) A♣

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Hero shows Q♣ Q♠ (Full House, Queens full of Aces) (Pre 81%, Flop 100%, Turn 100%)
BB shows 9♣ 9♦ (Two Pair, Aces and Nines) (Pre 19%, Flop 0%, Turn 0%)
BB wins 29.31 BB
Hero wins 275.46 BB

3bet range 11% bb vs bu. folds 60%. the stats are not great for stack off, but I did it because of dynamics. one minute ago I bluff 4bet he folded, then just few seconds ago I made a mistake and cold called JJ sb vs CO he sqeezed 15$ I shoved he folded, and then came this hand. SO I thought he will feel exploited if I 4bet again and will make mistake. probably he shoved here because of that. but I am not sure if it is good enough reason.


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alphamonkey
alphamonkey
Joined: 27.12.2013
Posts: 101
27.09.2014, 18:13

wow, a lot of dynamic. In this case I think is a easy 4bet/push(call).

I think even JJ is good here to 4bet/push(call) with this dynamic, but call would may be better.

here exists another important point: Do you think villain would make direct push a little deeper with KK/AA ???


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GingerKid
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Joined: 05.08.2007
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27.09.2014, 19:41

I dont think that he shoves QQ+. Probably mostly AK, but that one is more likely to call 4bet? So it looks very bluffy. Especially if he thinks that I am bluffing because it was my 3rd 4bet in short time, then it doesnt make sense to shove so deep, but it makes sense to bluff. But anyway, I cant use that fact when having QQ, I call anyway.


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alphamonkey
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Joined: 27.12.2013
Posts: 101
28.09.2014, 00:13

Originally posted by GingerKid
I dont think that he shoves QQ+. Probably mostly AK, but that one is more likely to call 4bet? So it looks very bluffy. Especially if he thinks that I am bluffing because it was my 3rd 4bet in short time, then it doesnt make sense to shove so deep, but it makes sense to bluff. But anyway, I cant use that fact when having QQ, I call anyway.

mmm, I think for villain is better to small 5bet with AK than call 4bet, especially with this dynamic.


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w34z3l
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Joined: 03.08.2009
Posts: 13,366
28.09.2014, 20:51

Hey GingerKid,

Might not be the best line with no history, but given the dynamics you described I would imagine the play is completely fine. We are not super deep or anything just 140bb or so.


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