Originally posted by iambensson
hi, i lost 1800usd today, it's like -7000usd downswing for me now, which is very very very rare in my poker carrer
i am very lazy now, don't know what to do .
i want to learn plo but it's very hard
7k at 500 zoom is 14 buy ins, the fact that you have never had a downswing like this means you probably have ran very hot for a while. Don't give up and keep grinding, gl!
Originally posted by iambensson
if I fail, I would donnate my sn milestone to charity, if I succeed I would donnate my sn milestone to toys
gl !
Now I'll hope you fail, go charity ! 
Originally posted by Skodljivec
As a PLO player i can tell u it's a terrible idea to start moving to plo as a result of a dowsnwing. Especially since you would have to start at plo50 or lower not to go broke while learning the basics ♦
lots of NL player switching to plo finnally fail, i find most of the reason is that they don't move down and learn the basics enough, instead they jump to the same stake as theri nl game
Originally posted by serverm07
Originally posted by iambensson
hi, i lost 1800usd today, it's like -7000usd downswing for me now, which is very very very rare in my poker carrer
i am very lazy now, don't know what to do .
i want to learn plo but it's very hard7k at 500 zoom is 14 buy ins, the fact that you have never had a downswing like this means you probably have ran very hot for a while. Don't give up and keep grinding, gl!
is that -14 buyin very standard?
Originally posted by iambensson
Originally posted by serverm07
Originally posted by iambensson
hi, i lost 1800usd today, it's like -7000usd downswing for me now, which is very very very rare in my poker carrer
i am very lazy now, don't know what to do .
i want to learn plo but it's very hard7k at 500 zoom is 14 buy ins, the fact that you have never had a downswing like this means you probably have ran very hot for a while. Don't give up and keep grinding, gl!
is that -14 buyin very standard?
Yes sir, even more so if your effective stacks are deeper at zoom. I have had many 14 buy in downswings, pretty much everyone has. Just basically means you have been on the positive side of variance so enjoy it :).
Originally posted by iambensson
Poker Stars, $2.50/$5 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.SB: $1,086.42 (217.3 bb)
BB: $520.83 (104.2 bb)
UTG: $619.07 (123.8 bb)
MP: $733.18 (146.6 bb)
CO: $1,909.56 (381.9 bb)
Hero (BTN): $265 (53 bb)Preflop: Hero is BTN with A
8
3 folds, Hero raises to $15, SB folds, BB calls $10Flop: ($32.50) 8
(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $19.86, BB calls $19.86Turn: ($72.22) A
(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $44.42, BB calls $44.42River: ($161.06) 4
(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $120.27, BB raises to $441.55 and is all-in, Hero calls $65.45 and is all-inResults:
Spoiler
$532.50 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 8
BB showed A
Hero showed A
this guy is so aggresive
if I don't have A8, lets say AK or AQtough tough tough spot, might fold:(
Let me try to understand this hand.
Villain is very aggressive, but you consider a fold to his riverraise, wouldn't you have had A8 for the FH.
Would you be able to comment on your gameplan for this spot? You probably open very wide on the button but 3BB Openraise indicates that you probably don't go beyond 60% OR.
Despite 3BB I give the BU a typical call range, because you said he is a little bit more aggressive. So: AsAc, KdKh,KdKs,KdKc,99-22, AJs-A2s, K2s+, Q2s+, J6s+, T6s+, 96s+, 85s+, 75s+, 64s+, 54s, AJo-A2o, K7o+, Q7o+, J7o+, T8o+, 98o - almost 600 combos, probably too much vs 3bb
Well, anyways: what I am interested in would be your betting ranges on flop, turn and especially the river. Can you roughly describe what you bet&what you check and what you think your opponent is doing?
In my thinking the betsize on the river looks strange: You bet pre, flop on a paired board, turn when the scarecard came - and now on the river you again bet 3/4 pot. Do you think -not minding your concrete hand- that this is the perfect betsize? I think there is a more optimal point in betting smaller like 1/2 because it makes your 3barrels cheaper but of course balances out with the amount of bluffcatcher-calls that you will get more. In the end it is the question about ranges and what your bluff/value ratio is here.
(.oO hopefully all this does not sound too stupid)
hi, villain in this hand is a fish
i only say i consider folding if I have AK or Ak, but certainly i would never fold full house vs fish:f_biggrin:
the thought process becasue he is a fish, i would like to bet like100% vs fish on paired board on flop,
bet bet bet vs fish, the size doesn't matter
i am not a range thinking player , i like to play my specific hand more, but i know i get explotited in too many spots , which is a sad thing
only better regs care about range,
worse regs if they have spiked anything they just call twice
Originally posted by iambensson
only better regs care about range,
worse regs if they have spiked anything they just call twice
that surprises me!
I thought the standard on NL500 Zoom is:
- fishes are exploited
- we play our ranges in a way that villains can not exploit us because we call/fold/cbet/raise too much or too less, all our single hands are part of a greater plan
- we assume our reg-opponents do the same, but not as good as we do: we play with our plan until we find loopholes in our opponents gameplan like in this hand: an ordinary opponent may never bluffraise this river, thus we have exploitive folds here.
Honestly that reg is just being an idiot, his hand is just a pretty easy call. I'm not 100% sure how you play your range but I likely don't get to the river with AK/AQ like that. Do you always play with 50bb, whats the reasoning?
Originally posted by serverm07
Honestly that reg is just being an idiot, his hand is just a pretty easy call. I'm not 100% sure how you play your range but I likely don't get to the river with AK/AQ like that. Do you always play with 50bb, whats the reasoning?
hi, the reason why I play 50bb is that I am very afraid of sets when I am a begginer at poker . in order not to let my opponents have odds to setmine me, I choose to play 50bb. and it works very well for me, becaseu i can easily get it in AA on QJ6 boad with 50bb but i can't with 100bb:f_confused:
Originally posted by iambensson
Originally posted by serverm07
Honestly that reg is just being an idiot, his hand is just a pretty easy call. I'm not 100% sure how you play your range but I likely don't get to the river with AK/AQ like that. Do you always play with 50bb, whats the reasoning?hi, the reason why I play 50bb is that I am very afraid of sets when I am a begginer at poker . in order not to let my opponents have odds to setmine me, I choose to play 50bb. and it works very well for me, becaseu i can easily get it in AA on QJ6 boad with 50bb but i can't with 100bb:f_confused:
You are likely passing up an edge but it doesnt seem unreasonable if you are comfortable with one stack and not the other. Regs likely tend to expect you to be weaker as well with your stack size and probably spew off.
Originally posted by SvenBe
Originally posted by iambensson
only better regs care about range,
worse regs if they have spiked anything they just call twicethat surprises me!
I thought the standard on NL500 Zoom is:
- fishes are exploited
- we play our ranges in a way that villains can not exploit us because we call/fold/cbet/raise too much or too less, all our single hands are part of a greater plan
- we assume our reg-opponents do the same, but not as good as we do: we play with our plan until we find loopholes in our opponents gameplan like in this hand: an ordinary opponent may never bluffraise this river, thus we have exploitive folds here.
the situation u mention is in NL1K~NL2k,
it's not happening in zoom500 right now in my opinion
this is why although I have good winrate on zoom 5000 but I still don't want to play NL1k
becasue the game is so different
Originally posted by serverm07
Originally posted by iambensson
Originally posted by serverm07
Honestly that reg is just being an idiot, his hand is just a pretty easy call. I'm not 100% sure how you play your range but I likely don't get to the river with AK/AQ like that. Do you always play with 50bb, whats the reasoning?hi, the reason why I play 50bb is that I am very afraid of sets when I am a begginer at poker . in order not to let my opponents have odds to setmine me, I choose to play 50bb. and it works very well for me, becaseu i can easily get it in AA on QJ6 boad with 50bb but i can't with 100bb:f_confused:
You are likely passing up an edge but it doesnt seem unreasonable if you are comfortable with one stack and not the other. Regs likely tend to expect you to be weaker as well with your stack size and probably spew off.
my winrate at 50bb is about 1bb/100 
i fininally fisnished a -8k downswing yesterday, which is good :f_cool::f_cool:
Poker Stars, $2.50/$5 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.
Hero (SB): $590.95 (118.2 bb)
BB: $616 (123.2 bb)
UTG: $777.95 (155.6 bb)
MP: $549.96 (110 bb)
CO: $402.19 (80.4 bb)
BTN: $1,132.55 (226.5 bb)
Preflop: Hero is SB with T K
UTG folds, MP calls $5, 2 folds, Hero raises to $20, BB folds, MP calls $15
Flop: ($45) Q K J (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $30.08, Hero calls $30.08
Turn: ($105.16) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $75, Hero calls $75
River: ($255.16) A (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $424.88 and is all-in, Hero calls $424.88
Results:
$1,104.92 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: Q K J 6 A
Hero showed T K and won $1,102.12 ($552.16 net)
MP showed 7 6 and lost (-$549.96 net)
this is a reg who likes to limp
and try to represent diamond!!
Poker Stars, $2.50/$5 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.
SB: $922.14 (184.4 bb)
BB: $303.35 (60.7 bb)
Hero (UTG): $529.45 (105.9 bb)
MP: $500 (100 bb)
CO: $284.02 (56.8 bb)
BTN: $1,173.10 (234.6 bb)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with K A
Hero raises to $15, 2 folds, BTN calls $15, 2 folds
Flop: ($37.50) K 3 K (2 players)
Hero bets $22.92, BTN raises to $63.74, Hero raises to $104.56, BTN calls $40.82
Turn: ($246.62) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $142, Hero calls $142
River: ($530.62) K (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $911.54 and is all-in, Hero calls $267.89 and is all-in
Results:
$1,066.40 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: K 3 K 3 K
Hero showed K A and won $1,063.60 ($534.15 net)
BTN showed T J and lost (-$529.45 net)
ya, quads!quads!
ya, i hope the downswing is over soon
i feel like i might give up the challenge before it starts
becasue maybe for me now the A-game is more important the putting into volume
a winning or losing in one session is sometimes bigger than mileseont 3xxx usd
wow, ty
btw, can anyone teach me how to avoid checking result for a month?
becasue I find myself being too result-oriented
altought I can make20k a month, but generally feel very unhappy most of the days
