Originally posted by larsonk7
Because of that I will be offering a 100% refund is somebody does not find it value for money for whatever reason."
Just get a refund
He is ignoring everyone who tries to get a refund
it's just a trick to get more sales
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Originally posted by pleno1
edit: not sure if i said but for transparency i havent been playing poker for the last month or so, maybe 2-3 times.Hey, hey..
Hows it going all, have been inactive from PokerStrategy.com for a long time, in fact been offline and away from poker for a long time too. I really hate anybody ever "defending" themselves with any form of sympathy, yes i throw my cushion at the TV when x factor comes on and they talk about some terrible thing happening in their life.
So just to reiterate what was initially offered..
Originally posted by pleno1
What does it contain?
The package will consist of 4 areas and have over 10 videos.
I currently have the videos below infront of me that I've sent to the guys "so far"
There is 22 videos I think from this there is around 5 videos that have been used elsewhere or whatever, but either way there was at least 15 videos.
Initially I was a decent 200nl winner, doing ok at 500nl, I think I was a really good player. Since then I have made over 500k this year (goal at this stage was probably 50-60) have imo went on the biggest development in my poker career and rank 3rd in the world in tournaments and 1st in England.
I offered "extras" to the group, usually after most people had joined. I offered a free pokertracker subscription to anybody who doesnt have one already as I have my HUD in Pokertracker and reccommend certain things in my HUD. I obviously sent my HUD too. I have sent the subscription to maybe 10 people and I think I still need to sort it out with 1-2 people iirc.
Skype group. I always say to everybody that poker is very much about who you speak to rather than most other forms of learning. Anybody who knows anything about skype groups know that they can get very intense especially if theres one big discussion you can get back the next day and be 1000 unread messages just from 2 people, so with 30 people or so in there who want to learn it will always be hard to keep up. Despite it not being in the OP and being offered to 95% of people after they bought it I definitely wasnt super active there, but again it was a source for people to discuss with others and I'm sure there has been hundreds of hands spoken about there so despite me being very busy I would still say it is a success especially as there are varying ability of players and they can help each other, sharing the love like I always say
Extra videos.. I spoke about this and that poker changes so I would offer a new video every or, 10 videos extra (equivalent of 1 a month at this stage) which of course I will do
there are still missing extra videosSeminars... As well as making videos I wanted things to be interactive, we did group seminars where I remember doing the following
seminars that aren't recorded or only half recorded, then some seminars never took place
1- I paid for a good 200-1knl reg to play a live session and to go through his thought processes and stopping/starting and people asking questions
2- I played myself and members watched me play and asked me questions after hands about what I did
3- I got members to record themselves playing and then go live with me and speak about the footage and we asked the others what they would vote to do in certain spots
These went down really well.
Session reviews, I then promised to on top do session reviews for everybody too, this would be 1 hour video footage that I would audio review. I encouraged people to rewatch the videos and stuff and after 6 months or wte I would do them. I've literally been unable to do anything in June, but July is here now and I am in a better position to be able to do more so I will obviously commit to that too.
where are these session reviews?
So just to confirm, right now we would have
As promised
10 videos
from a good midstakes playerActual
10 videos (+5)
10 bonus free videos
free pokertracker license (100?ish dollars)
40 session review videos
poker seminars where I pay for good people or spend own time with the guysfrom somebody who is way way way better than he was when this was first offered.
Other stuff. There is always pressure from the skype group for further content, which is fine, wte, I said it so I have to do it.
I told everybody that we would be doing a seminar with Neyptoh (very popular within the group) I had (imo ofc) 2 of the best players in the world to come to the seminar and I was expecting it to be a huge surprise/nice surprise for the group. One was going to be a topic on playing vs short stacks, something I dont admit to being an expert of and the other was about applying pressure, something I am capable of doing but good to hear another thought too. Anyway, eventually only 3? Maybe 4 people turned up and we had to cancel. We posted in the group that we would do it again in 1 week and all the people who had previously spoken about content or whatever could see skype for a full week (may have been 10 days or 2 weeks im unsure) and exactly what the timezone was, the date etc, when it came to it I was expecting over 25 people but we had something like 6? 7? Obviously I was bitterly dissapointed and since then I dont think I've made any more content (but as hinted previously this was as much about personal stuff as anything else)
Extra Stuff
As a lot of people know I got fucked from this package, MULTIPLE and when I say multiple I mean at least 4 (OF WHAT I KNOW OF!!!) fucked me over. They took all the videos, went to 2+2, skype groups, forums, even translated the videos and sold them on other languages on pokerstrategy.com etc I guess so many more people saw these videos than I intended to and ofc I got $0 for it. I'm almost sure that people within the group shared the price with friends when I was clear I didnt want that either and thats why the price was so low initially, I said I believed in humanity and I got fucked, so be it.
aha, and because of this you let the others down and don't deliver what was promised?
Discounts, I actually gave a lot of discounts in the group, as well as extras I gave the course for less than 50% to multiple people that I just wanted to help.
Turned people down, I turned down about 20 people for the course who were playing too low stakes I told them it wouldnt be suitable and it would be a bad decision from a BRM pov. Out of these guys I gave around 4-5 free coaching for 1 hour. Anyway people who say I'm just doing this to make a quick buck are so wrong its ridiculous, I turned down an easy 10k here.
Explaining concepts, Obviously I'm very busy on a day 2 day basis, but many people in the course wrote to me about not understanding things, I went into things very deeply with people, explained again and again over 1on1 skype call and other means and a lot of people have had very very good success. Without trying to sound arrogant I really do have a lot of people writing to me every day asking for help. Without trying to sound like a douche, imagine Phil Ivey or Phil Galfond posted their skypes on a public forum? Imagine how busy they would be?
Videos concepts/explanations
(sorry may sound tilted now http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/9958673_DC8037507F gopgijifhidhh[sd[hdd[d[d[ih)
I'm not going to say exactly what material is in the videos, but lets just give 1 example. I try to take something absolutely nobody does and "limp the button" I explain the merits and the cons.
Almost every concept video I have seen on other sites is really good, way better in terms of presentation style than I could do (I never suggested ever that I was a powerpoint master) but anyway, the main thing is that in the videos that I talk about in theory I then made LIVE VIDEOS of games that I am CRUSHING in, I do the plays in the video then stop the videos, explain, go over and over again. For me this IS the best way to learn.
Concept --->
Explain -->
Why --->
Pros --->
Cons--->
LIVE VIDEO --->
GO over all of the above in live video --->
Speak on skype afterwards about the spots in the video and the overall topicFor me this is way, way better than
Concept ->
Why ->
pros ->
cons ->Another way of adding a type of video is one of my very best students I have ever had who is not in this course, We did a really great big session on 4bet pots and it was imo a really good video, we agreed to put it within this course so the guys also get to basically have a private coaching with me (worth 200$) for free.
I've got to bounce now, the way it will be is that people will get the 10 videos on top excluding extra that I did since saying that and I will do the 40 session reviews or whatever it is of people who paid for the course.
when? in 10 years?
The way this will be is that between now and end of the month the guys can send me direct on skype their reviews, on August 7th (I'm on vacation August 1st-4th) I will give an order of when the videos will be released and then they will come out 2x a week untill they are all released. For transparency I am at EPT Barcelona and unable to do any for that time, if I am on holiday at other times ofc you cant expect me to do it. But whilst I am at home making money I will do the videos.
Thanks
PatrickOh one last thing I forgot to mention, I actually gave the group a decent %$ FREEROLL, of ALL my action in live tournaments, since then I have played 1k euros tournaments, 2k euros tournaments, 5k euros tournaments, 10k euros tournaments, this will extend to Barcelona where it looks likely I may even play the 50k euro tournament and will be playing all the 5k and 10ks too there. It is feesible the whole group could freeroll the whole thing simply from me playing live tournaments.
great freeroll, never happened
I realise that I have been slow and at times unresponsive, you still are I dont put this down to the lack of commitment of the guys who complained but never showed up, but down to being very hectic. I apologise for that but I do think that the $500 is an absolutely fair price for this course and if I knew exactly what I would offer when feeling happy with the world and in a good place I would have had to sell this course for thousands.
Sorry for wall of text but literally been off forum for months and have to get my binge back a little
I wont be checking the thread, I will be fixing things irl until August 7th where I will start organising the whole session reviews.Over and out.
as nothing happened since then (except a 2 hr seminar which was only recorded for 1hr, promised were at least 4 hrs of seminar btw) you should get in touch with group or, let's say, what is left of it. many people left because you don't deliver anything.
DO NOT come up with new promises, resolve the situation and deliver what was promised or pay a refund for the missing stuff.
cliffs:
1) course was initially...
"What does it contain?
The package will consist of 4 areas and have over 10 videos"
Everybody has over 20? Videos and theres been 4? 5? different seminars "on top"
2) Many players went from nl25-nl200+ quickly. One guy went from nl100-nl5k.. Cristian is currently looking for an nl25? I think stake and perhaps blames the course 15 months later.
3) I definitely CANNOT coach how to crush cash games in 2015 as I don't play them. Anything I gave now would honestly be just trying to make content for content sake. I was asked to make videos for sites at cash games, but there would be no value there as I would be guessing about a lot of spots
4) When I said I'd do more seminars etc I spent time preparing and 3? People turned up, obviously if 20 people complain or want more and 20 turn up great. If 20 shout and scream and 3 people turn up thats obviously not great.
5) I still do owe the guys 1% of whatever my profit was for live tournaments. This again wasn't included in OP and I wasn't playing 5/10ks at the time, have played 3 10k, multiple 5ks and 1/2ks where (including my roi) they really would have had a big freeroll. I will of course pay this out and will send Cristians % out first.
6) I spent literally 10+ hours with people 1on1, gave them 100% more videos than I initially promised and made webinars with them.
7) I've had 65 people (I keep records) asking to buy the package (just the videos) for $500. I turned everyone of these down ($30k)
8) Here is cristian telling me about how he multi accounts and played for his backer on his backers account to try and win rake races for wsop etc, i obviously didn't want ever take on anybody who does anything at all like this and lost all trust and wouldn't contemplate staking
less than 2 months ago (12 months after the package was released) cristian told me he'd rather be staked by me than somebody else who was offering him a good deal (after he'd already told me about cheating in rake races/playing different accounts etc) he didn't say anything about the course and wanted to even be backed by me and not somebody else. when i don't reply to him he tries to now post this everywhere
If you want to kick up a fuss and try to get my coaches avatar removed thats absolutely fine. I actually just made 5 videos for MTT's but I'm going to ask them to hold back from releasing them as I don't want this drama and don't want to make any money from anywhere I'm not appreciated. I was approached by almost every training site for more money than I would get here but I always wanted to stay loyal to this community. I do however think that Pokerstrategy having a moderator who openly cheats in rake races is not good.
I'm very fair with this kind of stuff, I spend lots and lots of time helping others with their game for free, speaking about hands, looking at their hand history, sending them my hand histories. I'm not going to post 1 more thing about this, even in retaliation to cristian if he replies 100x I'll stay respectful and say nothing back, I'm not intending to cash in on this and like I said previously turned down 30k+ worth of package action.
I hate to sound arrogant here, but I started this package as a guy grinding l200, I went on to be ranked number 1 in the world. If I wanted to be greedy, cash in etc I could have done a huge twitch/twitter/whatever else push as I had already made the content and it would have been super easy to sell 100 copies I think. Guys who don't play anymore are making a living out of games they have no clue about, I am definitely not that kinda of guy.
Peace <3
wow I just looked back through the quotes, he was on my ignore list and now my blocked list and it was STRATEGY POINTS that he was scamming. So the community gives him free access to all videos and he scams them in return.
so I'm the bad guy?
you took the money and didn't produce all the vids
you didn't do the session reviews
you ignored the people when they asked for the promised PT4 lics
etc
who is the scammer?
post from 2p2. i won't reply to you anymore.
ol this is just such bull**** that i can't even begin to start
"I don't know why, maybe no one wanted to buy it" as I said I said initially I would only do 30 people. I actually gave the course out for free to some nl10 guys who wrote to me who wanted to give me their entire bankroll for the course. They told me their situation and were ready to transfer me their whole roll I just said hey, heres the course, if you move up stakes later feel free to send me the money. I even searched one of the guys out of curiosity and he was playing nl100 3 months later.
"when some asked him for a PT4 lic, he was ignored"
the first video I made was about my hud. How to use my hud, why I have certain stats. People complained that they used hem not pt4 so they couldn't accept. I said ok sure I buy everybody who doesn't use PT4, pt4. Again I obviously didn't have to do this stuff.
I bought 10 pt4 licenses! There was 30 people, assumed half had pt4 already or so, I bought 10 licenses. In fact on the license there is 2 codes, so I bought 20. I may have not sent in the same week somebody asked for or something, but again this is me giving it for free and I sent them to everybody.
"and you call me a scammer? I played with my backers acc. that's all. is this scam?"
yes, 1) its against the toc of the room and 2) you are fixing a rake race from a site (poker strategy) that you are a staff member of!
"when people complained he made maybe a little seminar and promised more"
again. 1) people want more.. 2) i do a seminar, nobody turns up/can't make it, i organise another one 2 weeks in advance so everybody can make sure they have time. 3 people come.. i come to the conclusion all of this extra seminars isn't worth the time if people aren't going to come. they are about interaction.
i seriously won't reply anymore, I'm really bad for not sticking to my word but i really really won't reply. you will get the 1% freeroll of my action which had over 100k in cashes (again something that was obviously never included initially and you got to sweat with me without putting 1c up. but i won't respond further. The fact you work for a site and then you try and 1)scam them then 2) call them out obviously says a lot about you.
I seriously hope you good luck in the future, I don't wish bad on anybody.
post from 2+2:
cristianrjx;46295180
just for info, I won't be mod there anymore, I announced this last weekmaybe you read your thread again, we are asking for the promised vids for almost a year!!!!!!
about seminars:
you like skype screenshots, here is one from the skype group
and of course you don't want to answer anymore, because you are wrong.
have a look at your "best of pleno course":
the PT4 lics and session reviews:
you offered the lics, so don't complain you had to buy some
nice to ignore people in skype, when they ask for session review or something elseadditional, additional:
check out point 2: the videos you never produced
here I am, complaining for the 1st time,still friendly, please check out the date
the answer:
and now I complain again, after you had enough time, but you didn't do anything.
and nice strategy u are using:
- trying to make me look like a scammer (what did I get for playing with an other acc?)
you are the the one who took the money and did NOT deliver.
- and now the best line: "I won't answer anymore"WHY? maybe because you are wrong?
have a look at the screenshots or in your thread in the pokerstrategy forum and read what you promised. show up in the skype group and resolve.
btw I posted there last and he didn't react, that's why I went public
you can find everything here in this thread except the skype conversations
Ok answer one question. How much do you really think you got of value from this course that was advertised. Tell me honestly and I'll donare 4x of that to any charity of your choice as log as you give a reasonable explanation. You can even email it to me. Even if you say 500 I'll donate 2k.
If I do 2k that's 4 people. I already refunded 5 Which is a normal amount. Bought 10 pt4 licenses. Sent 22 videos, did 20?ish of other stuff. Will that be enough for you? Or do you want me to give the last pennies back too.
Im not going to go back finding counter screen shots or wasting more time (I haven't even calculated that time against my hourly rate) just say the amount and your charity. In fact if you seriously think 500 I'll donate 5k to the charity that way I surely can't be accused any further of being the wrong here. After this please never contact me again, ask for staking, message me, post in any of my threads.
Karma will prevail it alwyas does.
Sent you a friend request about it. I'm interested.
To be sure this is 22 videos for $600 ?