Thanks for the feedback it was very helpful.
Originally posted by NothingIsForSho
Assuming this is 5nl
Check shoving in such a spot on the flop for 100+bbs is in any case fundamentally incorrect.
Preflop is debatable - you could do what you did or you could make a 3bet or call/4bet which is pretty unorthodox - but it's not going to be a horrific mistake either way. This check shove though is really bad. There are 2 ranges you have to worry about not just 1 which means the average hand strength that should continue in anyway form should go up. Meaning if the player cbets large his average hand strength should be a lot higher than on average - even if his stat says cbet is 70% or whatever if you think he's a LAG.
Regardless you should create a strategy which doesn't involve shoving all in for 5x your opponent's cbet. That's massively exploitable here especially since like I've just said his average hand strength here should be higher than average.
As a side note which is not so important: There's a common read at these low limits that the fact that he only raised to 8bbs vs two people means he is very unlikely to have as strong a hand as would be average for other players. You will see the same player in the same spot raise to about 0.65 when he actually has a strong hand. It's fundamentally retarded but I see it happen. That should factor into your decision making process both preflop and on the flop - at least a little bit.
since this was a spot that im not used to dealing with, i turn very aggressive and thought i had to protect my hand of this board, but he wasn't a bad agro player there was no way he would call all in with a worse hand, thanks for pointing that out, what do you think about min 4betting this spot to induce a bluff shove by him, since were in a position that looks to them like were not that strong i guess this depends on the level at witch he is thinking.
the side note is a very good point i think it is important, since now you pointed that out i have noticed a similar thing. Thanks again.
Originally posted by mattyvx
yeah it looks a little spewy and his LAG strategy worked vs us (i know the feeling), it's not a value raise because he unlikely to call it off with say a few combos of AT he has
if we think he's super wide here maybe we can consider 4betting his squeeze (even after we cold called) as UTG shouldn't be nutted here and there is already a decent ammount of chips in the pot? We could also trap if he's squeezing alot
his cbet sizing is pretty strong and i'm close to folding the flop, even a hand like KQc or AQc has good equity vs us
I was watching his play, and i did notice he like to 3 bet and squeeze much more then average i picked up JJ with this hand and thought, the best way to exploit him here is to call to induce, i was planning to 4bet him, but when the other guy called i wasn't expecting it so because he was a TAG, so i think i got nervous witch clouded my judgement and made a bad play, witch led to a bad one on the flop too.
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