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countering the float

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FrozenElf
Joined: 06.07.2015

Here is a hand that I played, I think I made a few mistakes in this hand, if you can see any more please comment, any comments would be useful.

BB: $10.04 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 10, 3B: 9, AF: 3.5, Hands: 108
Hero (UTG): $25.12 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 17, 3B: 7, AF: 2.6, Hands: 117865
CO: $38.84 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 19, 3B: 7, AF: 2.6, Hands: 212
BTN: $25.08 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 20, 3B: 14, AF: 3.1, Hands: 347
SB: $25.71 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 21, 3B: 5, AF: 3.5, Hands: 248

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with J :spade: A :heart:
Hero raises to $0.30, CO calls $0.30, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.75) 8 :heart: J :club: 4 :heart: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.53, CO calls $0.53

Turn: ($1.81) 9 :club: (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.60, Hero raises to $4.80, CO calls $3.20

River: ($11.41) 4 :club: (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $8.24, Hero calls $8.24

Final Pot: $27.89
Hero mucks J :spade: A :heart:
CO shows 9 :heart: 9 :diamond:
CO wins $26.73
(Rake: $1.16)

I didn't have a very big sample on villain, he seemed to be a TAG style from what I seen I suspected him to be floating me a lot after playing a few rounds with him, he called me preflop a few times called my cbet and the turn when I checked to him, I didn't know 100% if he was. He made this bet size on the turn twice

Exploiting player that float a lot, we need to do it vs players that we actually see, cold calling preflop, with offsuit connectors, and calling flop cbets with backdoor draws, gutshots etc... Once we have established that the player is floating us, that is when this play becomes profitable, the only problem here is the turn card, if it was a 2♠: for example this doesn't help villains floating range at all, and we can check raise the turn here, but on this 9♣:, this is a terrible card and it completes a lot of villains floating rang 89 9T J9 QT etc... So we have only 1 option and that is bet/fold.

Ok then so here is a list of mistakes I've made in this hand

Mistake 1 - Making assumptions based on if the player is exploiting me with floats.
Correction - Don't make assumption's be patient and wait for some hands to go to showdown.

Mistake 2 - Making assumptions about bet size's
Correction - Don't make assumptions on bet sizes, if a bet is 3/4 - full pot most of the time its a monster, we should fold until we see what it represents, in certain spots, this mistake is the same as the first 1 the bottom line is im making mistakes by making assumption's about my opponents plays and where there making mistakes, rather then waiting to see where my opponent's are making mistakes

Mistake 3 - I didn't consider the turn card
Correction - I must think about villains floating range and how the turn card helps it to decide weather I should take the line of check raise or bet/fold

Another assumption that I made was that he bluffed his missed draws on the river, witch was really a bad assumption since he seemed to be a good lag, the thing is though I could see he was puzzled about my play and probably emotions rose up in him like it does for me when I am in some strange spots and I made yet another assumption because of this he might bluff his busted draws on the river, the pot looks so big to attempt to steal

Another thing to point out, is, we should not cbet bluff a player that is floating us, it just makes his floats more profitable, I think to counter this we can play checkraise on the flop instead of cbet bluff, but again, we need to make sure he folds trash hands instead of just calling and plan our strategy across the further streets. can we bet over cards on the turn? I believe good hands to do this is with some backdoor draws and over cards, could we check raise if we hit on the turn, or bet?


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LuckyManFromLT
Joined: 12.11.2013

Really don't like x/r OTT on this card and vs such big sizing, you just make him fold all worse hands and continue with better.

My play and IMO optimal play would be to bet/f turn, if you really have information that he is floating here and stabbing a lot when you x, then x/r would be good on blank cards. But I would prefer to do that more w AJ without A of hearts.

As played, on the river besides KhQh/KhTh( might not call pre) he doesn't have any bluffs IMO, so easy x/f.


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Saren113
Joined: 06.03.2009

I agree I dislike the c/R aswell, just bet yourself on the turn, and then decide if he chooses to raise you.


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