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ZOOM SB vs CO: KK in 3bet pot OOP

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ruastinraata
Joined: 25.01.2015

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $6.37 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
Hero (SB): $7.55
BB: $5.15 (VPIP: 36.36, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 11)
UTG: $5.27
MP: $5.02 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 4)
CO: $5.23 (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has K♠ K♦

fold, fold, CO raises to $0.15, fold, Hero raises to $0.50, fold, CO calls $0.35

Flop: ($1.05, 2 players) 4♠ 9♥ 5♥
Hero bets $0.67, CO calls $0.67

Turn: ($2.39, 2 players) 6♠
Hero bets $1.71, CO calls $1.71

River: ($5.81, 2 players) A♦

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The last time I posted a hand with pocket kings, I got lectured and rightfully so. The discussion about that hand can be found here.

This time, I hope I made it little better. Pre-flop is super standard. After he just flats vs SB 3bet, I think he might have ATs+, AJo+, KJs+, KJo+, QJs, 77-JJ and something random crap as well.

The flop and turn are drawy but low. The flop completes nothing, the turn completes some low and unlikely straights and adds a spade draw out there. Two barreling is the only option, I presume.

The river is an offsuit ace. I removed the rest of the hand to discuss what to do next. If we suppose his betting range is just for value on the river, x/f is probably the only option, but after I check OOP it gives my opponent a very good change to bluff. We're against an unknown at NL5 zoom. The population read tells that these guys don't like to bluff on the river. However, the board was low and drawy, but river completes non of the draws so our opponent could be betting his busted draws that don't have any showdown value.

Against what sort of an opponent we can check/fold when facing a 2/3psb?
Against what sort of an opponent we can check/call when facing a 2/3psb?
Against what sort of an opponent we can bet/fold?


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I don't think villain will call 2 streets with AX hand so he probably has TT-QQ or some kind of draw. I think x/c river would be good. I wouldn't b/f vs any kind of opponent when river is an ace. If river was blank I think I would try to take 3 streets of value only vs fish. x/f might be good vs very passive opponent.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I like betting small and folding to a raise.


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Castle93
Joined: 06.06.2011

I'd x/f.

His value range like TT-QQ has no reason to bet on the river, and there's only a small portion of his busted draws that don't contain an Ace, due to the fact he called pre. I don't think he has enough bluff combos on the river to x/c


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MJPerry
Joined: 03.10.2011

Originally posted by Castle93
there's only a small portion of his busted draws that don't contain an Ace, due to the fact he called pre.

KQhh, QJhh, JThh, KJhh are probably all calling pre.

We'll also be getting a really good price versus a river shove if my quick maths is right (almost 4-1).

Agree we lose quite often if we check/call, but do we lose more than 72% of the time?


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Lathdari
Joined: 07.10.2014

As MJPerry has noted, your question is a bit misleading, because it's not possible for villain to make a 2/3psb here. The effective stack is $2.35, so villain can only bet 40% of the pot. Against that size we would need to be really sure we're behind to justify folding. So to answer your question we x/c against most villains and only x/f if we're sure our villain is very passive. For the same reason, it's impossible to b/f here: if we bet we have to shove, which I can't see ever being correct.

And yes, this line looks much better to me. :f_grin:


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

He wouldn't have called nearly 3/4 psb on the turn with A high. Just x/c will do, no draw completed, let him bluff and catch accordingly


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MJPerry
Joined: 03.10.2011

Originally posted by Berezovaya
He wouldn't have called nearly 3/4 psb on the turn with A high. Just x/c will do, no draw completed, let him bluff and catch accordingly

AhTh is not folding on the turn.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

But it is 1 combo...


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MJPerry
Joined: 03.10.2011

I wasn't being super-literal, but AhTh, AhJh, AhQh, Ah8h, Ah7h, Ah4h, Ah3h, Ah2h, KhQh, KhJh, KhTh, QhJh, QhTh, JhTh, Th8h is not folding on the turn.

No unknown is folding a flush draw at NL5.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I wasn't aware of the stacks left on the river....
X/call seems fine.


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ruastinraata
Joined: 25.01.2015

Yeah OK, the questions were quite stupid due to stack sizes. So the only thing to consider is whether to fold or call if facing a shove and in most cases the call would be good. Thanks for the discussion so far :f_thumbsup:


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