QQ facing 4 bet preflop

Since ur IP there's no need to shove. About the flop, as long as you consider this guy's range weak I don't see any contraindications to call, imo he might have had anything from flush draws, bluff, kings to aces.

Tough spot. First, I would have 3bet bigger. When the flop comes, I'm actually inclined to call here. With no info on villain, he could literally have anything. But I would still probably call here.

Tips that I can say for u already:
1- Use a complete stack.
2- Dont mini-raise/click-back w ur value hands, u are giving odds for villain to suck u out.

About the hand, what kind of player is villain? u can take a look here to help u find out:
http://www.pokerstrategy.com/strategy/bss/2259/1/

Fill your stack to 100bb.
I do not like the size of the 3 b as it messes up every other decision. With your size you can induce a bluff 4 b, it can be a value 4b. Make a normal sized 3bet.
Postflop it depends on the type of player villain is but I think that calling is not a mistake.

You should play with 100bb stack and 3bet bigger pre. OTF I think calling is not a mistake.

I think it is a call for me too OTF. If villain knows the math (or theory), he knows that a shove OTF with any 2 cards would yield enough equity. In other words, villain can have more than just aces or kings

Originally posted by Hesticus
I think it is a call for me too OTF. If villain knows the math (or theory), he knows that a shove OTF with any 2 cards would yield enough equity. In other words, villain can have more than just aces or kings

Villain surely has some overpairs to this flop that is still behind hero. Making here, in his head, a strong value/protection bet otf.

SammyW1000, did u called? If yes, what he had?

Thanks all for the replies.

I've changed my settings so that I'm always at full stack. The 3-bet sizing was human error - have gone back over bet sizing and hopefully have it set in my head moving forward.

Aful... - I folded.

I'm playing Zoom so no info on the villain. I don't have enough experience to know what the 'average' range is for a Zoom 5NL is. The only assumption I was working with was that as you can play so many more hands/hr people are a bit more likely to be conservative and wait for a better spot rather than throw lots of money at marginal hands. I was reading a 4-bet and then shove on the flop OOP as being aces or kings more often than not. Is the game at that level is far more loose than I realise?

One thought process error I think I definitely made was worrying about the flush draw - at worst I'm 50/50 vs AcKc

As in regular tables,in Zoom there are active villains and passive villains. The will be more bluff 3 bets, 4 bets but as a general the population will be tighter.

Originally posted by Afulibador
SammyW1000, did u called? If yes, what he had?

Hero folds, is what it is written.

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by Hesticus
I think it is a call for me too OTF. If villain knows the math (or theory), he knows that a shove OTF with any 2 cards would yield enough equity. In other words, villain can have more than just aces or kings

Villain surely has some overpairs to this flop that is still behind hero. Making here, in his head, a strong value/protection bet otf.

Some villains are scared of postflop maneuvering and prefer to push on flop. With something like middle pair too.

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by Hesticus
I think it is a call for me too OTF. If villain knows the math (or theory), he knows that a shove OTF with any 2 cards would yield enough equity. In other words, villain can have more than just aces or kings

Villain surely has some overpairs to this flop that is still behind hero. Making here, in his head, a strong value/protection bet otf.

Some villains are scared of postflop maneuvering and prefer to push on flop. With something like middle pair too.

These middlepairs are embraced in what I said, overpairs to the flop.

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador
SammyW1000, did u called? If yes, what he had?

Hero folds, is what it is written.

Sorry, my bad. He gently answered, still ♠_grin:

Originally posted by SammyW1000
Is the game at that level is far more loose than I realise?

I would not say far more loose than u realise. But surely looser.
Note that its a tighter game than normal tables, but u ll find some guys trying to exploit that being even more loose aggro. So pick up ur reads on those guys ♠_thumbsup:

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by Hesticus
I think it is a call for me too OTF. If villain knows the math (or theory), he knows that a shove OTF with any 2 cards would yield enough equity. In other words, villain can have more than just aces or kings

Villain surely has some overpairs to this flop that is still behind hero. Making here, in his head, a strong value/protection bet otf.

Some villains are scared of postflop maneuvering and prefer to push on flop. With something like middle pair too.

These middlepairs are embraced in what I said, overpairs to the flop.

This does not mean villains are not pushing middle pairs...

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador
SammyW1000, did u called? If yes, what he had?

Hero folds, is what it is written.

Sorry, my bad. He gently answered, still ♠_grin:

For Nth time: Read carefully.

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by SammyW1000
Is the game at that level is far more loose than I realise?

I would not say far more loose than u realise. But surely looser.
Note that its a tighter game than normal tables, but u ll find some guys trying to exploit that being even more loose aggro. So pick up ur reads on those guys ♠_thumbsup:

There is aggression, but still tight players. Collecting stats is a funny experience.

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by SammyW1000
Is the game at that level is far more loose than I realise?

I would not say far more loose than u realise. But surely looser.
Note that its a tighter game than normal tables, but u ll find some guys trying to exploit that being even more loose aggro. So pick up ur reads on those guys ♠_thumbsup:

There is aggression, but still tight players. Collecting stats is a funny experience.

A funny way to say it. Hope u can understand ♠_drink: