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79s a 3bet-Pot - Best Line on the Turn and River?

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MisterSnS
Joined: 09.11.2011

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): $28.96
SB: $65.77 (VPIP: 23.53, PFR: 21.32, 3Bet Preflop: 10.91, Hands: 137)
BB: $43.67 (VPIP: 26.94, PFR: 19.56, 3Bet Preflop: 7.83, Hands: 279)
UTG: $26.29 (VPIP: 21.32, PFR: 13.72, 3Bet Preflop: 2.70, Hands: 1,124)
MP: $25.09 (VPIP: 28.74, PFR: 24.55, 3Bet Preflop: 10.17, Hands: 182)
CO: $45.48 (VPIP: 24.24, PFR: 19.70, 3Bet Preflop: 6.45, Hands: 71)

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has 9♣ 7♣

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.61, SB raises to $2.03, fold, Hero calls $1.42

Flop: ($4.31, 2 players) Q♥ A♦ 5♣
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($4.31, 2 players) Q♣
SB bets $2.12, Hero calls $2.12

River: ($8.55, 2 players) 9♦
SB checks, Hero checks

In this hand I play against a Reg with 11% 3bet overall, 10% from the SB and 40% vs the BTN. Assumption: He should be fairly loose. Therefore 79s is a defend.

On the AQxr I give him a checkingrange of all his weaker Axs, Qx, maybe AJ, and Pockets such as 77-JJ, and KK. Therefore his range should be fairly capped. But I don't see enough foldequity if we bet + our equity is pretty much reduced to a backdoor flushdraw

--> checkback (basically hoping to spike some equity)

Now he bets half pot, which doesn't look like Qx to me and he could be betting all his weak Ax now, or occasional bluffs.

What line would you take here?

By raising we basically rep Qx (which is very likely) and we could raise it up and bet every river trying get him from Ax, or we choose theh lower variance version by just calling, but then the riverplay gets more difficult. We can't really bluff him because his check/calling range should be too wide and he might put us on exactly what we have: a busted flushdraw. But in case we hit I think we have enough implieds to profitably call the turn.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Preflop is a fold for me.

As played, turn is a fold for me.


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marsa08
Joined: 30.01.2014

137 hands is too small sample to say if villain has 11% 3bet or 4% 3bet. Fold pre.

As played calling turn is ok imo. Villain should not be folding any of his Ax to your raise if you raise turn so no point in raising.


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NLgr1nd3r
Joined: 24.01.2014

For me this is a 4bet bluff prf.
When he calls then I would cbet flop because this flop hits our 4bet range hard.
As played I would fold turn.


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VaskataBuci
Joined: 08.08.2011

I would probably have played it the same way. On the flop when he checks this dry A high flop I assume he has some sort of bluffcatcher (or AA), which is not folding to one barrel. I doubt he is folding weak A otr so x is fine imo.


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duder1n0
Joined: 07.07.2009

Preflop fold would be really terrible, this is a nobrainer call, even against nittier guys.

On the flop I would stab 1/3 pot after he checks, and if he call, I would only continue on turns I improve (/6/7/8/9), where I would potbet, to set up river shove.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I think this looks fine. Since villain seems to 3bet a lot we can defend. Would 4bet bluffing be better than calling?
Flop fine.
I think we can call turn.
I would check river here too.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Preflop I would 4b bluff or fold.
On turn with the pair on board, I would fold.


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MisterSnS
Joined: 09.11.2011

Originally posted by duder1n0
Preflop fold would be really terrible, this is a nobrainer call, even against nittier guys.

On the flop I would stab 1/3 pot after he checks, and if he call, I would only continue on turns I improve (/6/7/8/9), where I would potbet, to set up river shove.

That's quite interesting. Are you betting the flop 1/3 to build a pot for later streets, or is the reason to get his pockets to fold with a small bet needing just 25% foldequity?


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duder1n0
Joined: 07.07.2009

With 1/3 pot bet on the flop I probably don't make him fold a pair, but I make him fold some King/Jack/Ten highs hopefully. I put his air (x/fold) range into a tough spot with the smaller sizing, and with this size I can stab with my whole range as well (so I bet everything, a totally depolarized range).

From the turn I polarize my betting range, only bet my valuehands, and decent equity bluffhands, so I bet potsize, which fits this range. This of course gains more fold equity as well, so hopefully he can now fold hands like TT/JJ, but even KK/Axs has a hard time facing a big bet, which also threatens him with the possibility of a river shove.


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sapef
Joined: 17.10.2011

hello:
preflop is std.
in this flop the villain range is x/c too much, then i dont see bet here.
boards with 2 big brodways there are too much x/c in villain range in genereal.
-but if ur oponent is folding to much to a bet vs missed cb obviously i bet here exploit him.
i defenitely bet flops like a J♣: 3♥: 6♥: o Q♥: 8♣: 3♦:
even if you bet here in this flop, i think Q is a bad card to bluf turn, if we bet this turn we have to bet the river and he could have KQ QJs Qts Q9s easily .
i think if you bet this flop u should check tis turn


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MisterSnS
Joined: 09.11.2011

Originally posted by duder1n0
With 1/3 pot bet on the flop I probably don't make him fold a pair, but I make him fold some King/Jack/Ten highs hopefully. I put his air (x/fold) range into a tough spot with the smaller sizing, and with this size I can stab with my whole range as well (so I bet everything, a totally depolarized range).

From the turn I polarize my betting range, only bet my valuehands, and decent equity bluffhands, so I bet potsize, which fits this range. This of course gains more fold equity as well, so hopefully he can now fold hands like TT/JJ, but even KK/Axs has a hard time facing a big bet, which also threatens him with the possibility of a river shove.

I understand. Thanks for the explanation mate _drink:


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

I might just fold this hand against a Reg. He 3-bets light but we are not sure how polarized his 3Bet range really is.
Otherwise, a 4bet for balance is an option but the math for a shove is more forgiving and yields more equity according to Miller, Mehta and Flynn (Small Stakes No-Limit Hold'em, 2009).


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duder1n0
Joined: 07.07.2009

Sure, you're welcome :f_drink:

Just one thing I forgot, on the flop small sizing seems weird, but it actually benefits most hands of our range one way or another.

For example if we stab with 88, it could be protection if Villain x/folds hands like J9s with 6 outs against us, but due to the small sizing he can x/call even weaker hands like K9s/77, so we can have thin value as well.

So in these spots where the 3bettor checks to us on the flop, we can't really go wrong if we stab our whole range with a small sizing, then polarize ourselves on the turn/river with big sizing, and we can still play for stacks.

Also as it is not a very common line, most people make more mistakes against this (defend too much or too little), than the regular halfpot/halfpot/halfpot sizing. So as long as we play our range right, we can probably gain an edge on them.


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