АQs in 4bet pot with a flushdraw

The call pre flop is absolutely correct.
On the flop you have nut FD and overs, calling is ok.
On the turn I think you should fold. I didn't calculate this but I believe it is close. I'm considering folding mainly because the board is paired.

I don't agree with you that his range is TT+. Usually he should 3bet QQ+,AK and then lower AXs as a bluff, so this board hits his 3betting range. He can easily have A3,A5,A4 or A6 which is bad if we hit our straight.

Even vs unknown you can call preflop. Nothing wrong here.

Villain's range can be QQ+, AK for value and some bluffs, according to his School of thought.
Folding turn is fine as we may not get callsif we hit and we can be dead already.

Would it be ok to shove over his cbet OTF?

Originally posted by swampyking
Would it be ok to shove over his cbet OTF?

What would be the reasoning behind raising his cbet?

What range do you think villain has here?
How big % of his range he will fold to our raise?
Can he call with worse hands?

What do you think, would raising be ok here?

If we believe his range is QQ+,AK,A2s-A9s and some suited connectors. What hands will he fold on this flop? AKs with no FD or BDFD, SCs that didn't hit. Pretty much the rest of his range has ok equity so he could consider calling. Also we have good equity with our overs and nut FD and there is absolutely no reason to turn our hand into a bluff. If you raise what worse hands villain can call? The board is paired and we have some reverse implied odds.

Originally posted by swampyking
Would it be ok to shove over his cbet OTF?

If we advise you to fold on this turn, what do you think, is it ok to shove flop then?
I think you should stay away fom FPSand play straightforward.

only with the FD we have 9 outs... that is 18% equity + 5% implied odds

adding more outs like A and 2 ... can't fold the turn

If we hit our flush or straight our hand is not so well disguised so is there a lot of implied odds? And what about reverse implied odds. The board is paired and what if villain 3bet bluffed with 6s7s or A6 and we hit our 2? What if he has A4,A5,A3 and we hit our ace?

4s is not an out or not a clear out. With that board we cannot expect to get called when we hit.

Ok, thanks for the answer.
That really helps me to analyse my own playing.
So would the situation have changed if he'd just called us pre and the flop wasn't paired?
Or would we still take the same line?

That's why i'm asking, i'm trying to improve my game and in some situations i don't know what to do so i ask you guys :-)
I apologize if some of my questions seem stupid, but i really wanna improve my game.

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by swampyking
Would it be ok to shove over his cbet OTF?

If we advise you to fold on this turn, what do you think, is it ok to shove flop then?
I think you should stay away fom FPSand play straightforward.

That's why i'm asking, i'm trying to improve my game and in some situations i don't know what to do so i ask you guys :-)
I apologize if some of my questions seem stupid, but i really wanna improve my game.

Nothing wrong with asking questions. It is the fast way to obtain info.
I am asking you cause it is better for you to find the answer yourself.
If board is not paired ,we draw to the nuts and we can stay in the hand.
Use this general rule: with 12+ outs you can go AI on flop. With less outs just call and see the turn.

Ok, great thanks

There is indeed no such thing as a stupid question. It's rather stupid to leave a question unanswered.

I would fold OTT as well here. The outs are indeed a very good guideline and rule of thumb. I also will take that with me into my decisions