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3bet pot, top pair w AK on dry board 130 bbs deep

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briccius
Joined: 26.06.2007

Full Tilt - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 134 BB
UTG: 87.1 BB (VPIP: 18.92, PFR: 13.51, 3Bet Preflop: 4.17, Hands: 76)
MP: 119.5 BB (VPIP: 15.52, PFR: 10.34, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, Hands: 59)
CO: 225.5 BB (VPIP: 15.79, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
BTN: 278.9 BB (VPIP: 31.76, PFR: 20.08, 3Bet Preflop: 2.06, Hands: 264)
SB: 119.2 BB (VPIP: 18.64, PFR: 15.25, 3Bet Preflop: 2.56, Hands: 126)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♥ K♦

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 13 BB, MP calls 10 BB, BTN calls 10 BB

Flop: (39.5 BB, 3 players) J♦ K♣ 3♥
Hero bets 19.7 BB, fold, BTN calls 19.7 BB

Turn: (78.9 BB, 2 players) 3♦
Hero checks, BTN bets 35 BB, Hero calls 35 BB

River: (148.9 BB, 2 players) 4♠
Hero checks, BTN bets 211.2 BB and is all-in,

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Hero calls 66.3 BB and is all-in

BTN shows J♥ J♠ (Full House, Jacks full of Threes)
(Pre 57%, Flop 97%, Turn 95%)
Hero mucks A♥ K♦ (Two Pair, Kings and Threes)
(Pre 43%, Flop 3%, Turn 5%)
BTN wins 265.9 BB

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I feel like I lost too much in this pot. I could cbet smaller, or I could continue turn smaller with the intention of betting the river so small I could still fold to a shove or just x/f ing river.

Some of you will ask why I went into check-calling mode on turn, well I thought that I do not get the whole stack in vs a hand i beat, so I wanted to slow down and maybe induce a couple bluffs. Problem is I cannot get away anymore easily because I do not really want to check-fold turn and by the river I could check-fold but I get such great pot odds (but maybe I could still just fold river, after all he should not have enough bluffs here to justify a call?!)... So this hand was really awkward. I think my solution is to block bet like 15 to 20 bbs on the turn and check-fold river or to just cbet like 15 bbs on flop instead of 20ish.

Did not think enough about pot control during this hand.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Well you should just stop calling to river ovetbet shoves with just TP ...


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GingerKid
Joined: 05.08.2007

Easy bet bet shove spot. checking turn is ok only if he is floating flop wide, which is hardly the case here due to tight ranges and that he has many pair hands.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

As played, we cannot call river...


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

As played: You get some 3.7:1 OTR and can probably flip a coin and maybe call to get to see his nuts. Our range is capped as hell at AK given the plays.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I would bet at least 2 street here. You check to him twice so you probably don't have anything better than TPTK here -> villain can make this kind of bluffs -> you might have a coinflip if villain has enough bluffs. I still prefer folding as played.


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briccius
Joined: 26.06.2007

Originally posted by nitrol
Well you should just stop calling to river ovetbet shoves with just TP ...

Effectively, his shove isless than a 1/2 pot bet, so it is not an overbet. I agree I should not call river. I was just wondering what the best line was with he stack sizes. Do you think it is better to make the cbet smaller or keep the sizing as played and just bet turn small and x/f river?

Originally posted by GingerKid
Easy bet bet shove spot. checking turn is ok only if he is floating flop wide, which is hardly the case here due to tight ranges and that he has many pair hands.

If I bet/ bet /shove I play a 130 bbs pot with top pair. Do I really want that on NL 10? Seems more like an NL50+ play to me, and even there, it might not be best in a 3 bet pot.... A good play if I had AA in that spot, I guess.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

You do not have to make bets smaller.


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GingerKid
Joined: 05.08.2007

If I bet/ bet /shove I play a 130 bbs pot with top pair. Do I really want that on NL 10? Seems more like an NL50+ play to me, and even there, it might not be best in a 3 bet pot.... A good play if I had AA in that spot, I guess.

It has nothing to do with the limit you play. It is just about if playing bet bet bet you have > 50% equity vs villain defend range, meaning that Ev of a bet is higher than check (exception is if villain floats a lot then checking might be better). In this spot, BTN looks fishy according to his stats VPIP 31.76 is for my fishy, surely not the good reg, also so low 3bet stat, and usually such players call wider preflop and postflop, so he should be calling KQ 3 streets and even maybe hands as KTs, K9s, QQ, Jx. You get beaten only by 3 combos JJ. If you think that villain folds all Kx hands, then you should be bluffing in this spot all they long as bet bet bet? I dont think so that you should be bluffing vs such villain.

Also when you play check/call turn, you have easy call on river and expect to loose very rarely (only by 3 combos JJ and if he calls wider as I assume, then also by KJs but then he can value bet KQ, KT, split with AK and he can also bluff AQ, AT).


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oI2ange
Joined: 21.07.2015

The river is a pretty gross spot, but I don't think there are enough bluffs on this texture in villain's range. AQ/QT/AT/some Jx turned bluff or something are about it. Check/fold seems fine with this sizing.


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