AA - Raised on Flop

It's NL2 lol. Push for value.

Originally posted by LuckyLucianooo
It's NL2 lol. Push for value.

Yeah I know, just couldn't do it because I was in a little downswing where the big hands had been getting cracked everytime. Made me afraid to get it in again.

I know that's a weakness and that variance will even out, but when you are in a rut of bad runs I find it hard to do this, which isn't good.

I would shove here. This is NL2, villain is shortstack and probably fish.

This range might be a bit wide, idk:

MP2 56.63% 56.00% 0.63% AdAs
MP3 43.37% 42.75% 0.63% QQ-TT, 88-77, 44, T9s, 87s, 65s, KsQs, KsJs, JsTs

So villain can imo raise with QQ-TT,sets, 2pair + some draws. We have over 50% if this is the case.

BTW you have a nut BDFD here also. Another reason to shove on top.

just couldn't do it because I was in a little downswing where the big hands had been getting cracked everytime.

This is definitely a mental leak you have to work on. Downswings happen but every single hand is different. You might have a long bad run but it doesn't mean that this hand will be the same.

Call and see turn. You got the Ace of spade so you can also call spade turns.

Originally posted by la55i
I would shove here. This is NL2, villain is shortstack and probably fish.

This range might be a bit wide, idk:

MP2 56.63% 56.00% 0.63% AdAs
MP3 43.37% 42.75% 0.63% QQ-TT, 88-77, 44, T9s, 87s, 65s, KsQs, KsJs, JsTs

So villain can imo raise with QQ-TT,sets, 2pair + some draws. We have over 50% if this is the case.

BTW you have a nut BDFD here also. Another reason to shove on top.

just couldn't do it because I was in a little downswing where the big hands had been getting cracked everytime.

This is definitely a mental leak you have to work on. Downswings happen but every single hand is different. You might have a long bad run but it doesn't mean that this hand will be the same.

Thanks for your thoughts Lassi.

The bit I have quoted in bold I must remember, it's definitely a mental leak as you say.

Originally posted by marsa08
Call and see turn. You got the Ace of spade so you can also call spade turns.

If we do this the pot will be $2,17. Villain has $0.90 left. If he decides to shove on a non-spade turn, we would have to be right only 20% of the time to call it. Are we going to fold? Calling is ok too and it would work well if it kept villains range wider but I don't see him folding much if we shove. And I don't know if a spade turn is really what we want to see because villain could have a completed flush in that case. Imo shove is better option.

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Reading The Mental Game of Poker 1&2 helped me. There are also some videos and articles about mental game here at pokerstrategy.

Originally posted by la55i
@andiofwbafc

Reading The Mental Game of Poker 1&2 helped me. There are also some videos and articles about mental game here at pokerstrategy.

Thankyou.

Now that you've had a chance to discuss the hand as I played it at the time (With no hud as it's Snap poker which doesn't allow it) I would like to post villians stats that I have in PT4.

BB: $1.91 (VPIP: 28.77, PFR: 19.86, 3Bet Preflop: 4.20, Hands: 438)

Does this change your thoughts on anything?

Also there's a note made by PT4: [F] Raised Flop Cbet w/Overpair or less & no draw (1)

So he's raised my cbet before, small sample obviously, but if the hud was available at the time I would probably have shoved.

Doesn't change anything in my opinion. He is the fourth guy entering the pot = he gets good odds and can have a wide range so I would say he can have a lot of draws too. He has raised you before with overpair or less, which is completely standard imo. I think shove is good here. We could call but we would probably end up calling his shove OTT too and if we shove we probably don't tighten his range much, he will continue with draws.

Originally posted by la55i
Doesn't change anything in my opinion. He is the fourth guy entering the pot = he gets good odds and can have a wide range so I would say he can have a lot of draws too. He has raised you before with overpair or less, which is completely standard imo. I think shove is good here. We could call but we would probably end up calling his shove OTT too and if we shove we probably don't tighten his range much, he will continue with draws.

Thanks once again for your thoughts, I will take them on board and next time I'm in this position I will remember what to do

Yea no problem, I'm glad you found that helpful It is only my own opinion and someone else might have some other input in this matter but I think shove should be okay.

haha, it continues:

888 Poker - $0.02 NL (6 max) FAST - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $6.12 (VPIP: 15.87, PFR: 10.32, 3Bet Preflop: 1.92, Hands: 132)
SB: $0.93 (VPIP: 41.18, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
BB: $0.86 (VPIP: 17.39, PFR: 15.22, 3Bet Preflop: 18.18, Hands: 96)
UTG: $1.67 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
MP: $2.56 (VPIP: 28.67, PFR: 17.57, 3Bet Preflop: 3.57, Hands: 155)
Hero (CO): $2.38

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has A♦ A♠

UTG raises to $0.05, fold, Hero raises to $0.18, fold, SB calls $0.17, fold, UTG calls $0.13

Flop: ($0.56, 3 players) 7♠ 4♦ K♠
SB checks, UTG bets $0.56, Hero calls $0.56, fold

Turn: ($1.68, 2 players) K♣
UTG bets $0.84, Hero raises to $1.64 and is all-in, UTG calls $0.09 and is all-in

River: ($3.54, 2 players) 2♣

UTG shows 9♥ K♥ (Three of a Kind, Kings)
(Pre 18%, Flop 18%, Turn 95%)
Hero shows A♦ A♠ (Two Pair, Aces and Kings)
(Pre 82%, Flop 82%, Turn 5%)
UTG wins $3.32

Knew I was beat when that King dropped on the turn.

Yup, we most likely are behind there. We play vs UTG opener in 3bet pot who donked pot size multiway. Looks scary. I really hate that second king there. Maybe it would have been better to fold OTT. I know folding AA is not easy. Still overfolding is not as big a leak at the micros than overcalling. If you are not sure if you should fold or call, fold should be fine in most cases.

Originally posted by la55i
Yup, we most likely are behind there. We play vs UTG opener in 3bet pot who donked pot size multiway. Looks scary. I really hate that second king there. Maybe it would have been better to fold OTT. I know folding AA is not easy. Still overfolding is not as big a leak at the micros than overcalling. If you are not sure if you should fold or call, fold should be fine in most cases.

Good things come to those who wait:

888 Poker - $0.02 NL (6 max) FAST - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): $1.32
SB: $1.08 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 4)
BB: $1.00 (VPIP: 19.91, PFR: 12.82, 3Bet Preflop: 3.27, Hands: 686)
UTG: $1.10 (VPIP: 5.88, PFR: 5.88, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
MP: $5.24 (VPIP: 62.50, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
CO: $0.44 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has A♥ A♦

fold, MP raises to $0.07, CO raises to $0.16, Hero raises to $0.25, SB raises to $1.08 and is all-in, fold, MP calls $1.01, CO calls $0.28 and is all-in, Hero raises to $1.32 and is all-in, MP calls $0.24

Flop: ($4.18, 4 players) 5♣ 5♥ Q♣

Turn: ($4.18, 4 players) 6♥

River: ($4.18, 4 players) 4♣

Hero shows A♥ A♦ (Two Pair, Aces and Fives)

Main Pot [$1.78]: (Pre 78%, Flop 87%, Turn 95%)
Side Pot#1 [$1.92]: (Pre 78%, Flop 87%, Turn 95%)
Side Pot#2 [$0.48]: (Pre 79%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)

SB shows K♥ K♣ (Two Pair, Kings and Fives)

Main Pot [$1.78]: (Pre 2%, Flop 3%, Turn 0%)
Side Pot#1 [$1.92]: (Pre 2%, Flop 3%, Turn 0%)

MP shows 9♥ 9♠ (Two Pair, Nines and Fives)

Main Pot [$1.78]: (Pre 19%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
Side Pot#1 [$1.92]: (Pre 20%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
Side Pot#2 [$0.48]: (Pre 21%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)

CO shows K♠ K♦ (Two Pair, Kings and Fives)

Main Pot [$1.78]: (Pre 1%, Flop 0%, Turn 0%)

Hero wins $1.67
Hero wins $1.80
Hero wins $0.45

Thankyou Mr Variance!:f_love:

Well that was nice Only thing I would change is your 4bet size. I would do it much bigger.

Originally posted by la55i
Well that was nice Only thing I would change is your 4bet size. I would do it much bigger.

Yeah I know. My thought process was that I wanted to keep everybody in (which is never a good idea even with AA I know) but on this occasion it worked out, thankfully.

Yes this time it worked but if there is may players who see the flop there is a bigger chance of one hitting 2pair or set. I get your point but you forget protecting you hand. We don't want anyone with JT or similar flopping a straight

Originally posted by la55i
I would shove here. This is NL2, villain is shortstack and probably fish.

This range might be a bit wide, idk:

MP2 56.63% 56.00% 0.63% AdAs
MP3 43.37% 42.75% 0.63% QQ-TT, 88-77, 44, T9s, 87s, 65s, KsQs, KsJs, JsTs

So villain can imo raise with QQ-TT,sets, 2pair + some draws. We have over 50% if this is the case.

BTW you have a nut BDFD here also. Another reason to shove on top.

just couldn't do it because I was in a little downswing where the big hands had been getting cracked everytime.

This is definitely a mental leak you have to work on. Downswings happen but every single hand is different. You might have a long bad run but it doesn't mean that this hand will be the same.

For me its fold here. This would be classic case of over playing AA.
I think we should take out QQ of his range. It has to be 3bet pre.
I dont think villan is raising only Ts9s not T9s.
its not only 65s but all 65 combos. pre flop on BB he gets too good price to call even with 65o.
And only flash draw dont rais here. its better to call for him and try to get more players to the turn. So naked flush draw is out of his range here. They just dont play that aggresive in multi way pots.

Equity Win Tie
MP2 35.83% 35.22% 0.60% AdAs
MP3 64.17% 63.57% 0.60% JJ-TT, 88-77, 44, 87s, 65s, JsTs, Ts9s, 65o

And now its fold not push.

One big problem for me here is that I dont think villan is raising over pairs 4way on the flop. HU yes but not here.

MP2 13.83% 13.29% 0.54% AdAs
MP3 86.17% 85.64% 0.54% 88-77, 44, 87s, 65s, JsTs, Ts9s, 65o

and now its easy fold.

I know nl2 we can see some crazy stuff but I still think its fold.

I think shoving is ok when villain is not with full stack. Talking about the initial hand.