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slippyjim
Joined: 07.10.2011

3E tourney early on
MP3 24/17 3bet 8% - 42 hands
BTN 31/11 3bet 0 - 65 hands

I decide to 3bet small pre to try to keep at least one of them in the pot

OTF I'm not quite sure why I bet so big, I think it was because I thought it was a flop that they are likely to have hit in some way and would call a bet regardless of size, what do you think

Pacific, $2.70 Buy-in (1,750/3,500 blinds, 400 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players

SB: 129,877 (37.1 bb)
Hero (BB): 45,613 (13 bb)
UTG+2: 79,293 (22.7 bb)
MP1: 126,751 (36.2 bb)
MP2: 54,025 (15.4 bb)
MP3: 54,272 (15.5 bb)
CO: 51,410 (14.7 bb)
BTN: 187,278 (53.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K K
3 folds, MP3 raises to 7,000, CO folds, BTN calls 7,000, SB folds, Hero raises to 14,000, MP3 calls 7,000, BTN calls 7,000

Flop: (46,950) J 6 T (3 players)
Hero bets 31,213 and is all-in, 2 folds

Results:

Spoiler

46,950 pot
Final Board: J 6 T
Hero mucked K K and won 46,950 (32,550 net)
MP3 mucked and lost (-14,400 net)
BTN mucked and lost (-14,400 net)


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

You have only a 13bb stack and you are playing against 2 players. So a raise like this looks very strong to me. Especially you play OOP as well. So I would shove with my entire range here.

The flop shove is pretty standard with 31k behind in a pot of 40k. I don’t know what kind of sizing you would bet otherwise, but then you need to bet 10k or less to look not committed.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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ico313
Joined: 07.04.2014

I'm wondering, in a field with a lot of weak loose passive player ( like the small buying MMTs), do the non shove 3bet have any advantages ?

Because i think, the mass of the players, don't think a lot for that this 3bet looks very strong, they just want to see the flop and with shove they may fold some hands, that otherwise will call.

Just another line of thought.

What do you guys think?

Regards.


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slippyjim
Joined: 07.10.2011

Yeah, I tend to agree with you, at these micro levels I dont think a lot of basic poker principles apply. If people have already VPIP they want to see a flop and will usually call a reraise as long as its not massive

Sometimes I will 2.5X and someone does the bare min reraise with AT or KJ etc etc, some people get the nuts and never bet waiting to do a check raise whereas other people will 25X overbet shove the pot with the nuts, weird sh*t happens at these levels haha


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

That could be right, but what would be your plan if a Ace comes up on the flop with already 30% of your stack invested?


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slippyjim
Joined: 07.10.2011

Originally posted by SDK1987
That could be right, but what would be your plan if a Ace comes up on the flop with already 30% of your stack invested?

That is a very good point especially being OOP, plus shoving pre flop might induce a call from a small PP that will fold on many flops. I'd have to agree that the shove is definitely the safest most sensible option, I have been trying out new things recently but not sure I will repeat this on reflection.

I guess it all depends on how wide you think the villians will call a 3bet vs calling a shove, which is often very hard to judge with so little history


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