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KQs straigh possible on board TPGK vs pot bet on river

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SPeedFANat1c
Joined: 04.01.2009

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 116 BB
SB: 100 BB
BB: 164.2 BB
UTG: 100 BB
MP: 159.2 BB
CO: 114 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K♣ Q♣

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, SB raises to 7 BB, fold, Hero calls 5 BB

Flop: (15 BB, 2 players) 8♦ 9♣ T♦
SB checks, Hero bets 7.2 BB, SB calls 7.2 BB

Turn: (29.4 BB, 2 players) 8♥
SB checks, Hero checks

River: (29.4 BB, 2 players) Q♠
SB bets 28.2 BB, fold

SB wins 28.2 BB

23/18 94h

I believe its high chance that he fucked me on river. Jx does not make much sense to be in his range , besides maybe J8s. What do you think?


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I think that when villain 3bets us pre, there is no reason to bet OTF. What do we accomplish? I don't think he is going to 3bet and then give up that easily so we can expect a call or a raise.

As played villain seems weak but you seem as weak or even weaker. He can have AQ or Jx but he should have bunch of bluffs too.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I do not like the flop bet too. We do not get him to fold much and I think he can xr too.
We cannot call this river as we showed weakness on turn and villain has better hands.


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

This flop was a perfect opportunity to check behind and try to improve OTT. As played, fold river.


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5trang3
Joined: 24.05.2016

I actually wouldn't mind calling the river here occasionally. Our hand is pretty underrepped tbh. And villain can be trying to push us off much weaker.


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SPeedFANat1c
Joined: 04.01.2009

I think that when villain 3bets us pre, there is no reason to bet OTF. What do we accomplish? I don't think he is going to 3bet and then give up that easily so we can expect a call or a raise.

makes sense. I thinked - I can make fold hands like AJ, A5s-A2s without backdoor flushdraws. But those do not have much equity anyway.

Other hands connect with the board and he might c/r. Like A6s.

My thinking was - I have good cards for bluff - ovecards, gutshot, so why not take it now. GS is automatic bluff :)

Also - at this limit players are not so agro, so I do not think we get c/r very often. It looks like if they do not cbet, they give up or have weak pair.

As played villain seems weak but you seem as weak or even weaker. He can have AQ or Jx but he should have bunch of bluffs too.

So you are calling river?

Maybe its marginal and so it would be close to breakeven and for that reason its good to not make big mistake by calling big bet and not knowing if you do correct call.

Btw you all assume that AK is not folding to a bet, they are calling or raising? I would like to fold them, cause I get dominated if K hits.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I'm not sure if I would call OTR. It is close and calling sometimes wouldn't be bad. We should sometimes fold and sometimes call :)

The point was that the way this hand was played exposes us to bluffs. After you xb turn, it is quite clear you had air there. The river card is not the best for villain to bluff so I think folding is fine here.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Remember that board is paired and the straight got there too. So our AQ is not that good of a bluff catcher.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

I'd reserve calling for a couple of AQ and better. That river card filled in a lot of hands, like A7s, ... that might play rep bluff.


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Pistoleroo
Joined: 06.02.2015

On the micros people don't potsize bet bluff alot. He can easily have Aj, KJ, QJs, JTs sometimes JJ if he decided for some weird reason to check it on the flop.

People at the micros are very unbalanced in these spots. You should make an exploitative fold here.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Also, even if he fires his complete range OTR with a pot bet, I can hardly enough hand to fill his bluff quota. He'd need to fire 66, ATs, stuff like that. He is in other words likely value heavy.


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SPeedFANat1c
Joined: 04.01.2009

Remember that board is paired and the straight got there too.

I was thinking, what Jx could he play that way.

And probably this is the answer:

On the micros people don't potsize bet bluff alot. He can easily have Aj, KJ, QJs, JTs sometimes JJ if he decided for some weird reason to check it on the flop.

People at the micros are very unbalanced in these spots. You should make an exploitative fold here.


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tiltmonk
Joined: 02.07.2014

yeah, I think we are beaten here. it is obvious. Most of the time when you see at micro pot bet river - you have to fold, only if you have at least second nuts you could call. Anyway, your opponent could have a lot of better hands. He 3b preflop, you flatter. So, you are capped now. The board seems scary for him if he had JJ-QQ - bcs this boards fits well for you cc range. That is wht he decided to play from check, also, he could have AJ, AQ,AK. There is only one group of hand you can beat from his 3b pre and check flop range - AK(12), but he could also have AQ(8), AJ(16), JJ(6), QQ(1) and sometimes TT(3). So, folding is ok on the river.


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